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BumRushDaShow

(157,152 posts)
18. Correct
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 12:51 PM
Jul 5

BUT he was born in an African country - UGANDA - and was naturalized as a citizen here in the U.S., and as I explained, there is this issue of how "classification" works (or doesn't work) in the U.S., and how it has been twisted into pretzels and obfuscated over the past 250 years.

I.e., the "current" Census designations offer the option of "black or African American" and if asked on some form what he was, he now has a choice.

In the past, people from India were once considered CAUCASIAN/WHITE in the U.S. until they weren't, because surprise surprise, the "rules" changed -

United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, 261 U.S. 204 (1923)

U.S. Supreme Court
United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind, 261 U.S. 204 (1923)
United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind


No. 202

Argued January 11, 12, 1923

Decided February 19, 1923

261 U.S. 204

CERTIFICATE FROM THE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS

FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT


1. A high caste Hindu, of full Indian blood, born at Amrit Sar, Punjab, India, is not a "white person" within the meaning of Rev.Stats., § 2169, relating to the naturalization of aliens. P. 261 U. S. 207.

2. "Free white persons," as used in that section, are words of common speech, to be interpreted in accordance with the understanding of the common man, synonymous with the word "Caucasian" only as that word is popularly understood. P. 261 U. S. 214. Ozawa v. United States, 260 U. S. 178.

3. The action of Congress in excluding from admission to this country all natives of Asia within designated limits, including all of India, is evidence of a like attitude toward naturalization of Asians within those limits. P. 261 U. S. 215.

Questions certified by the circuit court of appeals, arising upon an appeal to that court from a decree of the district court dismissing, on motion, a bill brought by the United ,states to cancel a certificate of naturalization.

(snip)


One of the more recent census changes was as a result of a (black) Nubian Egyptian who had been forced to call himself "Caucasian", because the idiots in this country still believed that Egypt was part of Europe.

I have been to Egypt and have obviously seen the Nubians who have been on that land since the beginning of that country's civilization before the Arab invasions bringing Islam to the area, and later European invasions (Greek and Roman), but who are rarely shown.

Mostafa Hefny



Detroit Immigrant Wants To Be Re-Classified As Black

September 4, 2012 / 10:03 AM EDT / CBS Detroit

(snip)

Hefny is brown-skinned with curly hair. The 61-year-old was born in Egypt and came to the United States in 1978. When he was admitted to the country, he was classified on government papers as a white person, Hefny said.

"The government (interviewer) said, `You are now white,"' said Hefny, who said he is a Nubian, an ancient group of Egyptians considered more African than Arab, from the northern part of Sudan and the southern portion of Egypt.

A white person is defined as "a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, North Africa or the Middle East," according to Directive 15 for the federal Office of Management and Budget Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity.

(snip)


The Census has only NOW been changed (as of 2024) for the 2030 census to include a separate category for "Middle Eastern or North African".

Next U.S. census will have new boxes for 'Middle Eastern or North African,' 'Latino'


March 28, 2024 8:44 AM ET
Heard on All Things Considered
Hansi Lo Wang

(snip)

The "White" definition has changed, and "Latino" is now a "race and/or ethnicity"

OMB's decision to change its statistical standards on race and ethnicity for the first time in more than a quarter-century also marks a major shift in the U.S. government's definition of "White," which no longer includes people who identify with Middle Eastern or North African groups such as Egyptian, Iranian, Iraqi, Israeli, Jordanian, Kurdish, Lebanese, Moroccan, Palestinian, Syrian and Yemeni.

That move sets up "Middle Eastern or North African" as the first completely new racial or ethnic category to be required on federal government forms since officials first issued in 1977 standards on racial and ethnic data that the Census Bureau and other federal agencies must follow.

For more than three decades, advocates for Arab Americans and other MENA groups have campaigned for their own checkbox on the U.S. census and other government forms, and recent research suggests that many people of MENA descent do not see themselves as white, a category that the federal government previously considered to include people with "origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa."

(snip)


Kamala Harris is 1/2 (50%) South Asian - (her mother was from India) and 1/2 (50%) black Jamaican (her father was from Jamaica), but she identifies as "Black or "African American".

Similarly, Barack Obama is 1/2 (50%) black African (father from Kenya) and 1/2 (50%) white Euro-American, but he identifies as "Black or "African American".

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From the article: sop Jul 5 #1
So the NYTimes is no longer a trusted news source mdbl Jul 5 #34
You lick the feet of those you serve. nowforever Jul 5 #2
Every time I read something DENVERPOPS Jul 5 #22
You echo my thoughts. Every time I see the crap NYT's publish, I jrthin Jul 5 #36
But, none of it is true, right? Can he sue the NYT for libel? Oopsie Daisy Jul 5 #3
If donald trump can, I don't see why not. MLWR Jul 5 #5
Lawsuits cost money & take time, & allow your enemy to keep smearing you in the meantime Hekate Jul 5 #23
You're adorable! dpibel Jul 5 #52
He is born in Africa and he's an American citizen Renew Deal Jul 5 #4
How does this inform voting? IbogaProject Jul 5 #6
However there is an apparent attempt to "spin it" BumRushDaShow Jul 5 #10
in terms of race/ethnicity he is 100 percent Indian(south Asian) JI7 Jul 5 #13
Correct BumRushDaShow Jul 5 #18
As Reagan and others before him knew, 'race' and 'immigration' have always been constructs that racists can 'rewrite' ancianita Jul 5 #17
TY for the additional info Hekate Jul 5 #24
If you ignore the definition. Igel Jul 5 #15
He is not an African American, please stop this refrain. rogue emissary Jul 5 #16
You need to understand the "history" of "race" and who is designated what in this country BumRushDaShow Jul 5 #20
I by no means know the complete history of not only American but world history of race. rogue emissary Jul 5 #27
Oh I remember the Rachel Dolezal issue BumRushDaShow Jul 5 #39
Thank you for so much information. Do you think a high School senior knew this information? rogue emissary Jul 5 #30
There is so much junk BumRushDaShow Jul 5 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jul 5 #51
Much like Musk Farmer-Rick Jul 5 #28
The NYT's "scandal": Mamdani checked the "Black or African American" box on his Columbia application. sop Jul 5 #7
The big question is, how does the Times justify using hacked materials... 70sEraVet Jul 5 #8
The Pentagon Papers were "hacked" SCantiGOP Jul 5 #12
It certainly is when they use hacked materials that damage Democrats dsc Jul 5 #38
Right? What's up with that? ck4829 Jul 5 #49
Tell that to The Times who just recently refused to use hacked info against trump and Vance Hassin Bin Sober Jul 5 #43
Well... ck4829 Jul 5 #50
It's the selective reporting, not the source, that matters. snot Jul 6 #54
No, Indians( south asians) are like 10 peecent at Columbia while making up 1 percent of JI7 Jul 5 #14
Agree about the hacked sources. See my comment elsewhere. ificandream Jul 5 #26
Why would we expect anything better from the present-day NY Times? Paladin Jul 5 #9
"Our reporting helps readers better understand how candidates think and what they believe." Bourgeois Liberal Jul 5 #11
What utter bullshit UpInArms Jul 5 #19
The Times article read like a classic, political hit piece dlk Jul 5 #21
Clearly, the rich people think they can push everybody around. yardwork Jul 5 #35
The can and they do dlk Jul 5 #44
The problem is that the information came from hackers, which should have been dismissed or backed up with other sources ificandream Jul 5 #25
Uganda is definitely African. viva la Jul 5 #29
John McCain was born in Panama madville Jul 5 #47
Foreign military and dignitary children don't usually get citizenship if they are born where their parents are posted. viva la Jul 6 #53
I don't see a problem with any of this somsai Jul 5 #31
I'm so disappointed by the NYT tonekat Jul 5 #32
It would help if people just admitted he was wrong for doing this JI7 Jul 5 #42
The NYT is still trying to make up for missing the George Santos story Raven123 Jul 5 #33
He came from Africa to America debsy Jul 5 #37
The smearing has begun. Clouds Passing Jul 5 #41
Educated readers can see through the smoke that's being blown dlk Jul 5 #45
Some of the largest Hindu and Sikh temples I've ever seen are in Nairobi. cab67 Jul 5 #46
Doublestandardgate - Did they though? Did they really respond? I mean, -really- respond? ck4829 Jul 5 #48
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