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22. Living in Arizona "the border" is not as important people in Pennsylvania or the midwest think it is

Tue Jun 3, 2025, 06:38 AM

Jun 3

Every Republican in Arizona has campaigned on it and usually when a Republican candidate goes hard right on the border they lose statewide. Even "moderate" John McCain campaigned on "build the dang fence" during his primary runs. We actually starting getting rid of the Joe Arpaios when the Democrats started going hard right on the border including Biden endorsing a draconian law proposed by a Republican.

It is an important issue but am not interested in blocking asylum seekers. Immigrants actually commit crimes at lower rates than citizens. Comprehensive immigration reform would actually improve things quite a bit and make things safer because a lot of immigrants may not report crimes to law enforcement out of fear of being deported.

It is important to stop drug trafficking but most of those go thru points of entry and even with a silly border wall they can still catapult it over which has been done before but the US has always had drugs due to the demand here on our side of the border and they have existed since every President in the last 2 centuries and unlikely to stop soon. Things are worse with fentanyl but Trump's "solutions" are unlikely to fix America's drug problem. Not to mention people on the US side of the border profiting off weapon sales to cartels on Mexico's side of the border.

As far as the rest of society, a significant chunk actually buys into the debunked theory that Democrats are importing immigrants specifically for votes in an election. Trump's and Stephen Miller's actions are based on that debunked theory. Trump also sometimes quotes Hitler when talking about immigration. Also there is a lot of misinformation from the right but when you deal with facts that many people in Arizona have already dealt with you tend to support realistic policies.

Democratic administrations already have smart & legal ways to deal with drug trafficking and immigration and if anything it could be improved but I already lived with this from Russell Pearce & Arpaio and by 2020 we were getting rid of those politicians.

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Fetterman: Democrats bungled border issue under Biden [View all] Polybius Jun 2 OP

Fuck him. LuvLoogie Jun 2 #1

TOTALLY thought about Gabbard.. Going on fox & Cha Jun 3 #49

I am truly sorry I voted for Fetterman Born Free Jun 3 #63

No, they didn't. area51 Jun 2 #2

Augree ananda Jun 3 #4

Yes,, as the saying goes: With friends like him, who need enemies. brush Jun 3 #14

John BidenRocks Jun 2 #3

Fetterman: Release your brain MRI's and ... Tarzanrock Jun 3 #5

Fucking DINO sakabatou Jun 3 #6

We didn't bungle the border and the border is not why we lost. SunSeeker Jun 3 #7

It was all those Trans surgeries for teen athletes we allowed. maxsolomon Jun 3 #48

Fetterman Robespierre SalamanderSleeps Jun 3 #8

Some pre-interview guidance on talking points from competent people would have helped. Aussie105 Jun 3 #9

That's complete bullshit Picaro Jun 3 #10

Wut ? IbogaProject Jun 3 #11

Acting more like Manchin because Pennsylvania is acting more like W. Virginia? thought crime Jun 3 #13

Wow! He has really gone nuts. BigmanPigman Jun 3 #12

He needs to go away...NOW. sheshe2 Jun 3 #15

Not only did he go on fox to Whine about Dems a la Cha Jun 3 #50

You are absolutely correct, Cha. sheshe2 Jun 3 #51

And, you are Corrrect about Cha Jun 3 #52

I will go read it, Cha. sheshe2 Jun 3 #55

Sad Clown Blue Dotty Jun 3 #16

Instructions for Fetterman: Paladin Jun 3 #17

Most voters actually disapprove of the way Trump is handling his signature issue AZProgressive Jun 3 #18

They didn't support what Biden was doing either: Jose Garcia Jun 3 #42

This is part of the reason that only 30% of the electorate is registered Democrat. everyonematters Jun 3 #19

Living in Arizona "the border" is not as important people in Pennsylvania or the midwest think it is AZProgressive Jun 3 #22

I don't think we need to go hard right on immigration. We just need to convince voter that we are going to secure everyonematters Jun 3 #23

Funny how times change Polybius Jun 3 #43

Post removed Post removed Jun 3 #44

How did he go soft during the 3 years? GP6971 Jun 3 #45

Agree that is one big reason we lost in 2024. That doesn't mean I agree with what Trump is doing. nt doc03 Jun 3 #29

except it's a BULLSHIT issue totally weaponized by the rightwing and their media LymphocyteLover Jun 3 #34

Indeed! MyOwnPeace Jun 3 #58

I know!!! Argh! LymphocyteLover Jun 3 #62

But wouldn't it be easier to call those who disagree dumb, morons etc. and double down? BannonsLiver Jun 3 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author travelingthrulife Jun 3 #41

Mayorkas stated multiple times that the border was secure MichMan Jun 3 #53

Did this start before or after his trip to Merde-Lago? I suspect he's possibly getting Cloudhopper Jun 3 #20

I am really starting to hate this man. Balatro Jun 3 #21

Poorly thought out reaction to a crises brought on by the republican party tells me..... wolfie001 Jun 3 #24

that's long been a complaint against him... this came up during the Senate Dem primary LymphocyteLover Jun 3 #33

I missed the whole brouhaha wolfie001 Jun 3 #37

I was glad he won and he helped pass some of Biden's bills... but he's been really bad since LymphocyteLover Jun 3 #61

Fetterman's staffers and advisors have mostly quit FakeNoose Jun 3 #39

Good for them! wolfie001 Jun 3 #40

Resign now. Oopsie Daisy Jun 3 #25

I'm With Mickey MayReasonRule Jun 3 #26

Biden tried, but the GOP blocked it on Trump's orders. Does Fetterman have any other GOP talking points? Vinca Jun 3 #27

Remember-- they ADMITTED they were blocking border $ because Trump told them too!!! LymphocyteLover Jun 3 #32

Biden tried too late. Self Esteem Jun 4 #71

Biden was kind of busy trying to bring the country back from the Covid debacle. Vinca Jun 4 #72

Imagine FDR saying that about WWII and the Great Depression? Self Esteem Jun 4 #73

it's turning out that he needs to be primaried Javaman Jun 3 #28

Fetterman was elected in 2022, so his term isn't up until 2028 FakeNoose Jun 3 #64

He needs to do his job or resign Strelnikov_ Jun 3 #30

Bad things about Democrats. Kingofalldems Jun 3 #31

Yeah, This one.. Reacting to Fetterman going on fox Cha Jun 3 #56

There ya go Polybius Jun 4 #68

Fair-weather Fetterman k_buddy762 Jun 3 #35

his wife was an immigrant et tu Jun 3 #36

Dems didn't have a huge propaganda network to counter the propaganda and other disinformation from the Republicans... DSandra Jun 3 #46

Fetterman is right. Self Esteem Jun 3 #47

In context ... jgo Jun 3 #54

Yes. Typically you'll apprehend more people as more people illegally cross into the country. Self Esteem Jun 3 #59

To add to that, President Biden said he couldn't act on it with an executive order; it required Congress MichMan Jun 3 #65

Yup. That EO in 2022 or early 2023 could have made the issue moot. Self Esteem Jun 4 #70

Sadly, with climate change ramping up, northward immigration will surge NickB79 Jun 3 #60

One of my biggest regrets is donating to his campaign a few years ago Blue Owl Jun 3 #57

we lost because of racism, sexism, the border -- pick two cadoman Jun 3 #66

HAS FETTERMAN "BUNGLED" ANYTHING? nt Cha Jun 4 #67

To put it charitably fujiyamasan Jun 4 #69