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QueerDuck

(651 posts)
47. Whataboutism is a rhetorical tactic used to deflect criticism by responding with a counter-accusation...
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 07:22 AM
14 hrs ago

or by raising an unrelated issue to change the subject. In my opinion, it reveals that the other person is making weak arguments, and they likely know it.

The primary goal is to shift focus away from the original difficult question to avoid accountability or to defend an idea or goal with questionable value or that has high-risk and very little (if any) gain.

So, instead of addressing the validity of the initial criticism, the person using whataboutism exaggerates a perceived flaw in their opponent or another party... or they'll often imply a moral equivalence between two different views, even if they are not truly comparable in context.

In the end, this weak tactic serves as a red herring, introducing an irrelevant topic to derail the conversation and "muddy the waters".

You handled this very well.

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Need new blood yankee87 Yesterday #1
Excellent.... anciano Yesterday #2
Wholeheartedly agree Samael13 7 hrs ago #70
I will keep an eye on this guy he seems to be sharp. We need new blood if we are to do Autumn Yesterday #3
I look forward to the debates. N/T lapucelle Yesterday #4
There is no reason for Jeffries to waste his time with this guy. tritsofme Yesterday #12
DU is giving 2015-16 vibes. RandySF Yesterday #5
Yeah. And we know what happened in 2016. Callie1979 Yesterday #26
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave 7 hrs ago #72
Hm, hmmm. Remember the 2008 "PUMA" crash out here? Seeking Serenity 7 hrs ago #74
It would be better if the effort were spent ATTACKING REPUBLICANS... QueerDuck Yesterday #6
A Democrat is running for the same office another Democrat hold. How is that Autumn Yesterday #8
Oh please. Nice strawman. I never made that argument and you know it. QueerDuck Yesterday #11
It might be stupid to you but not to others. Dems can do more than one thing at a time. Autumn Yesterday #13
No, it's a stupid move. QueerDuck Yesterday #16
We have spent years " attacking Republicans" and keeping some people in office "for their wisdom." Autumn Yesterday #20
This is some Nina Turner level shit and sabotage... QueerDuck Yesterday #21
Nice. You can't come up with a rebuttal so insult me. LOL but now I know Autumn Yesterday #22
How amusing. You think I'm talking about you when I'm not. QueerDuck Yesterday #23
What amusing is you post to me and insult me but expect me to believe your not talking about me ? Autumn Yesterday #25
I have no such expectation that you will believe a conversation with you is not also about you. QueerDuck 15 hrs ago #42
So Nina Turner is not one of your idols? She is a huge mouthpiece Nixie 11 hrs ago #52
It seems that no one has learned a thing from last year. Callie1979 Yesterday #28
What about 6+mil who voted Biden leftstreet 23 hrs ago #40
Those are the ones I'm talking about. Has anyone asked them? Callie1979 15 hrs ago #45
Thank you. QueerDuck 15 hrs ago #44
No, it has nothing to do with "progressive enough" LR3 10 hrs ago #56
Oh ffs. Jbraybarten 12 hrs ago #50
And we, thankfully, don't live in a system where pointing out the stupidity of such vanities... QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #69
Y'know, that's one of the reasons we have primary elections instead of nominating committees Seeking Serenity 6 hrs ago #78
You're the one talking about purity. Jbraybarten 5 hrs ago #88
Why can't we do both Samael13 7 hrs ago #71
We can... it's just stupid to do so. Attack and smear the ones who deserve it (the GOP) not Democrats. QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #73
I agree we need to flip republican seats Samael13 7 hrs ago #75
We certainly had a lot of folks who didnt want a primary in 2024 Callie1979 Yesterday #27
I don't have a clue. I think primaries are very healthy for our system. Had we had one perhaps Autumn Yesterday #34
I'm about 75% sure we wouldnt. But they wouldve had to have been straight with us Callie1979 15 hrs ago #46
Looks like there are some that don't want one in 2026 either. MichMan 5 hrs ago #84
So my opinion (a Brooklyite in a neighboring district) Dorian Gray Yesterday #32
Mahalo, Dorian Gray! I'm way out here across Cha 23 hrs ago #41
Thanks, Cha Dorian Gray 43 min ago #95
A Primary is not an attack. A Primary is how Democracy works. Too bad some don't understand that. Weird. Scrivener7 Yesterday #31
Yes it is. Of course it is. It's a way to bloody-up an incumbent... QueerDuck 15 hrs ago #43
LOL LR3 10 hrs ago #57
Similarly, the idea that anyone thinks its worthwhile to WASTE money challenging a popular incumbent... QueerDuck 10 hrs ago #60
When you argue as you do, you've lost LR3 9 hrs ago #62
The non-ironic use of the phrase "Third Way" reveal much. QueerDuck 8 hrs ago #63
Yup, anyone that wants Democrats to fight harder LR3 8 hrs ago #64
Fortunately, for now, those voters are motivated to support Democrats... QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #66
Your strawman building abilities are world class! LR3 6 hrs ago #79
Meh! Ho-hum... I'm just telling it like it is. QueerDuck 5 hrs ago #85
If you don't like the way the American system works, I don't know what to tell you. Scrivener7 7 hrs ago #76
Expect the same people here rushing to defend Jefferies or party leadership SunImp 4 hrs ago #90
Absolutely. And also, WTF? This is how our Democracy works and we have people on Democratic Underground Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #93
Wait, Jeffries (or others) is ordained? Nobody has the right to run? WTF. Weird indeed. Jbraybarten 12 hrs ago #49
Nice strawman. I never said anything about anyone's "right to run". QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #68
Show your cards. aocommunalpunch 3 hrs ago #92
I read this and thought, "Good question!" But then I thought, "But who cares, really?" Scrivener7 2 hrs ago #94
Yep, straw man indeed. I guess you alternate that with your bringing pUrIty tEsTs Jbraybarten 4 hrs ago #91
I Hope Leader Hakeem Jeffries Wins... Cha Yesterday #7
So, AOC should have never primaried Joe Crowley. right? MichMan Yesterday #36
This has Nothing to do with AOC... I'm talking Cha 23 hrs ago #37
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan 23 hrs ago #39
Whataboutism is a rhetorical tactic used to deflect criticism by responding with a counter-accusation... QueerDuck 14 hrs ago #47
I understood the poster's statement as a general opposition to any incumbent facing a primary challenge MichMan 14 hrs ago #48
Thanks for checking in. I take well your point that... QueerDuck 10 hrs ago #54
No, you got called out. Is it ok to run against incumbents or not. Period. FFS. Jbraybarten 12 hrs ago #51
A big LOL & a FFS back atcha! 😂🤣 🙄 QueerDuck 10 hrs ago #55
Yup. When Trump says "the Democrats" and then you have those Nixie 10 hrs ago #59
This is crazy. What do YOU call the Democrats? That's our name. Scrivener7 7 hrs ago #77
"bAcK aT yOu" Not a "pUrItY gAmE." No need to add straw men. Oof. Jbraybarten 7 hrs ago #65
Yawn. 🥱 QueerDuck 7 hrs ago #67
Yawn indeed. Jbraybarten 5 hrs ago #87
And, it Turns Out that AOC Doesn't want Osse, Cha 6 hrs ago #81
I'm eager to hear the accusations that AOC is "against free elections" or claims that she... QueerDuck 5 hrs ago #86
Oh it's Ridiculous.. like anyone knows Cha 5 hrs ago #89
NY-08: Against Mamdani's Wishes, Gen Z Councilman Plans to Challenge Jeffries Celerity Yesterday #9
I think Mamdani is hoping for an endorsement from Jefferies. I don't think he needs it. nt Autumn Yesterday #10
Jeffries did endorse Mamdani, after months of meetings and foot-dragging Celerity Yesterday #14
What a biased portrayal. W_HAMILTON Yesterday #15
I've never seen an election SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #17
It suggests a certain level of insecurity and weakness... QueerDuck Yesterday #18
It's grievance shopping SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #19
Mamdani seems to understand this endorsement timing since he refused Nixie 11 hrs ago #53
Hakeem Jeffries will be a great speaker mcar Yesterday #24
Pelosi was a great Speaker, she picked and mentored Jefferies, it is a stupid idea to vote out Jefferies. dem4decades Yesterday #29
especially for his district Dorian Gray Yesterday #33
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Yesterday #30
And, Pres Obama.... I remember him Cha 23 hrs ago #38
I'll pass on this primary. OAITW r.2.0 Yesterday #35
He'll get thumped. Halicarnassus 10 hrs ago #58
He will, but it he pushes Jeffries to the left, that's fine Deminpenn 10 hrs ago #61
Respectfully disagree. Halicarnassus 6 hrs ago #80
I don't see this moving any needles one way or the other Torchlight 5 hrs ago #82
I recall when David Hogg was a vice chair of the DNC, he was advocating primary challenges to quite a few incumbents. MichMan 5 hrs ago #83
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