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Bluetus

(2,004 posts)
31. It is a turning point.
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 01:54 PM
Nov 15

Many of the "Jesus wing" Christians I know are now talking more openly about Jesus' values and the importance of character, kindness, compassion, generosity, etc. Some mention Trump specifically, but it is clear that the "Jesus wing" of Christianity is coming to realize the vast harm that has been done to their religion by Trump and the Christian extremists who regard Trump as sent by God. This is clearly a big reversal from a year ago. I don't see how any real Christian can see what ICE is doing , the extrajudicial murders in Venezuelan waters, the cutting of programs like SNAP, WIC, Meals on Wheels and not be horrified.

For the first time ever, we have Republicans openly opposing Trump, even when they have not already announced retirement. In particular, the 4 who joined the discharge petition have made the calculation that Trump is losing his grip -- on reality and on the GOP and especially the MAGA cult.

It is not clear if MAGA will continue under that banner. It is clear that millions of MAGA people are really pissed at Trump, but that doesn't mean they are ready to return to the ranks of decent human beings. It appears that MTG, and possibly the other 3, are trying to position to take over the MAGA movement from Trump. My guess is that MAGA will splinter because there is no way Vance, Bannon, Miller and others would allow MTG to ascend without a big, ugly fight.

Don't be surprised if we start to see open warfare for who shall be the next King (or Queen) of MAGA. And in MTG's case, she seems to be trying to have it both ways, carving out an image of "mainstream , but still MAGA" for herself. And this leaves Vance in a peculiar position. Normally a President isn't considered lame duck until his last year, or maybe the last 2 years if he loses control of Congress. But already reporters are starting to ask Vance if Rubio is the enemy. Naturally they both have eyes on the prize. The usual case is that the retiring president makes it clear he expects his choice as VP to be his successor. No way Trump will do this for Vance, at least not in any useful time frame.

Now that MTG has started making the early moves, I think the 2028 race will be on full display early in 2026, because nobody will want to let MTG establish herself as front-runner.

Order extra popcorn.

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The Trump flag has disappeared [View all] D_Master81 Nov 15 OP
If only he'd do the same malaise Nov 15 #1
I wouldn't read too much into it. BeerBarrelPolka Nov 15 #2
They can't afford to buy flags anymore, Trump economy has taken all their spending money Walleye Nov 15 #3
Also made in China Gak73 Nov 15 #15
The Trump flag that was outside a repair shop for months, tattered, and now it's been replaced by an American flag Walleye Nov 15 #25
West central Indiana here, and I still see some. Though Emile Nov 15 #4
But does it matter if the GOP controls the voting tabulators? LiberalArkie Nov 15 #46
So there are a few Trumpsters out there who have standards? Aristus Nov 15 #5
Flags are standards (by definition) rustbeltvoice Nov 15 #23
Well done! Aristus Nov 15 #37
Bad-dum-tsssh COL Mustard Nov 15 #39
They will find another object of adoration for their hate CanonRay Nov 15 #6
Biden flag Norrrm Nov 15 #7
I live in a light blue neighborhood at the edge of red country. I used to see trucks with MAGA flags all the time, chia Nov 15 #8
I was just going to post something similar. llmart Nov 15 #19
New Trump flags Lem1951 Nov 15 #9
Do they think possible customers won't remember who they supported? llmart Nov 15 #21
Finally, the tide is turning PatSeg Nov 15 #10
Here in very red East Tennessee TNNurse Nov 15 #11
maggots are in hiding. I vouch the same experience. peacebuzzard Nov 15 #48
If Trump sold the flag popsdenver Nov 15 #12
They can't afford a new tablecloth for "the holidays" and had to recycle that expensive flag. usonian Nov 15 #13
Now that doxxing is something everyone knows LittleGirl Nov 15 #14
I was in Evansville last month BuddhaGirl Nov 15 #27
Hi Buddagirl LittleGirl Nov 15 #30
I don't believe it angrychair Nov 15 #16
I don't believe it either - soldierant Nov 15 #36
Right there with ya. Iggo Nov 15 #51
Well, either way E. Normus Nov 15 #17
The ones I see fade in the sun. pwb Nov 15 #18
Same here in red Florida. CaptainTruth Nov 15 #20
Reminds me of the Nixon landslide llmart Nov 15 #22
Maybe they've finally it figured out FakeNoose Nov 15 #24
We didn't have too many in our neck of the woods, but the few that were up are now gone. Vinca Nov 15 #26
Saw one yesterday FHRRK Nov 15 #28
MAGA Trump supporters are slowly deprogramming themselves from their pedophile cult leader. LetMyPeopleVote Nov 15 #29
There is a house 1/2 mile from me that was just like the video described Bluetus Nov 15 #33
It is a turning point. Bluetus Nov 15 #31
Maybe they got the letter about their premiums going through the roof? Justice matters. Nov 15 #32
Burn it Blue Owl Nov 15 #34
Snakes do go back under the rocks. NCDem47 Nov 15 #35
My Trumpy neighbors across the street stage left Nov 15 #38
If I had a tRump flag, I wouldn't want it to be seen on Google maps RainCaster Nov 15 #40
Used to see MW67 Nov 15 #41
Flags are to replaced due wear Smackdown2019 Nov 15 #42
I'm going with... they supported him and Cha Nov 15 #43
I don't think... DET Nov 15 #44
Faux Noise, drmeow Nov 15 #45
No Trump flags, but this instead LiberalArkie Nov 15 #47
Paint balls at 0200! BidenRocks Nov 15 #49
Yep. The MAGAs are disillusioned re Trump, but seem to be latched on to Kirk now Attilatheblond Nov 15 #54
The house near me, also ybbor Nov 15 #50
The MAGAt two houses down from us has removed his Trump flag. DavidDvorkin Nov 15 #52
MAGA man in my area: Trump flags everywhere, prints up big messages, has maniquine in suit, red tie & hat... Attilatheblond Nov 15 #53
They'll still fly the Stars and Bars though Jersey Devil Nov 15 #55
We rarely see Trump flags or MAGA Red Hats any more on eastern side of Dayton metro area Bluejeans Nov 15 #56
They ATE their Trump flags, when their November SNAP benefits did not arrive in time.... Jack Valentino Nov 15 #57
Maybe some of them can feel shame? Dave Bowman Nov 16 #58
Next they'll be displaying their Vance sofas. C Moon Nov 16 #59
Won't stop them samplegirl Nov 16 #60
Maybe DownriverDem Nov 16 #61
I think it is more 'onto the next crazy idea that lets us own the libs'. OldBaldy1701E Nov 16 #62
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