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In reply to the discussion: Sorry to annoy everyone yet again, but much about that Epstein email hangs on the accuracy of one word [View all]AZJonnie
(2,365 posts)33. Thanks for clarification. This is exactly the sort of cogent argument I always see from RockRaven
I still just have hard time reconciling the idea that "the files", if we could only SEE them, would prove horrific acts by Trump, bad enough to really bring him down ... and yet Biden's DoJ had them, and did nothing? So I push back on that idea, and I look for other explanations. So far I've always found one, and they are really not far-fetched. In this case of the email, it's totally not actionable, so very understandable no action was taken.
My guess is "the files", even the real ones, are not going to rise a whole lot above the level of this email in terms of Trump culpability. I think Trump obviously has shit to hide wrt Epstein, but I don't think that is actually "participating". Sorry, I just don't see it as likely, not ironclad, like on recordings type of shit. Now, I KNOW he KNEW, but I also think he and Epstein tried to blackmail each other. Epstein WRT Trump's money laundering for the Russians, and Trump WRT Epstein's sex crimes. I think that is what the birthday card was actually about, as you've probably read my saying in the past.
Blackmail, instead of turning Epstein in? That would be really bad, but not bad enough that I'd say I expected Garland to act on it. It IS however, if the evidence is compelling and it's deftly presented by Democrats and our allies, potentially bad enough to hurt IQ47 severely in the public eye. That would be a really bad look, especially if we can hammer home the Russian aspect.
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Sorry to annoy everyone yet again, but much about that Epstein email hangs on the accuracy of one word [View all]
AZJonnie
Nov 12
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I cannot possibly imagine that the DoJ does/did not have everything the Estate has in this regard, long ago
AZJonnie
Nov 12
#8
Well, not just Biden's DOJ. Sorry to burst the bubble you'd prefer to exist in, but it is true.
RockRaven
Nov 12
#10
Thanks for clarification. This is exactly the sort of cogent argument I always see from RockRaven
AZJonnie
Nov 13
#33
Well, that's very convenient since Giuffre REPEATEDLY exonerated Trump of any wrongdoing including in her book
AZJonnie
Nov 12
#7
Do you not see what I post, all day and every day? I mean obviously not everything, but generally?
AZJonnie
Nov 12
#15
The premise of this post is wrong, from what I've read. The ID is known, from multiple
RockRaven
Nov 12
#5
Because it was in her 2025 memoir that she just wrote, and her estate released posthumously
AZJonnie
Nov 12
#17
We are making the same point. Yes, she is gone, having exonerated him (to her knowledge) on her way out.
AZJonnie
Nov 12
#23
I get what you mean, but I was asked why *I* am so interested in the case near the top of the thread.
AZJonnie
Nov 12
#24
From what I've read, the "VICTIM" redaction was in the version of the files supplied by the estate,
Emrys
Nov 12
#25
Not suggesting anyone tried to warp the facts, but mistakes can be made on a task like that
AZJonnie
Nov 12
#26
It MIGHT be an inside joke, but to borrow the words of a past US president, "I want to hear him deny it."
Emrys
Nov 12
#28
I've said this like 20 times in various posts over months but not everyone see everything, so again lol
AZJonnie
Nov 13
#29