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Ilikepurple

(397 posts)
39. Thumbs up or thumbs down is the most basic political action we can take
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 07:00 PM
Nov 11

I agree with much you have to say in OP. Facts are important. It’s important to recognize accomplishments. I don’t think we really know what Schumer’s strategy is yet, but it’s certainly up for debate. I don’t see how he could have saved the subsidies, but also am not entirely convinced the shutdown strategy was. I certainly don’t see the deal as a win. I think your voice is an important one on this board, but take issue with the rhetorical content of your post.
You could have made your points without directly attacking others as they could have when criticizing those defending Schumer. You talk of derisive responses yet relegate those critical of Schumer or the institutional democrats as having opinions not on the same level, i.e. ones so low and diverted from reality that their opinion should be kept to themselves. What is it if it isn’t cheerleading when any criticism of your favored democrats is considered diverting from the reality that we should just shut up and let the grownups drive the car?
I mainly have a hard time with the last two paragraphs where you seem to go out of your way to try to convince others that we should substitute our judgment for those of our party leaders. Protest is not political action? Of course it is. Thumbs up or thumbs down isn’t? What do you think votes or public opinion are. I grow so tired of salient points devolving into cheap rhetorical devices designed either to convert or anger. I’m not on the same level nor do I have the same accomplishments as Schumer or Thune, but that doesn’t mean I have to defer to either of their judgments on all things political or support their leadership positions. The great thing about opinions about divisive issues on this forum is that the ensuing debate is an opportunity for a better understanding of the issues. We aren’t nobodies nor are we silly or ridiculous for having opinions even if not fully informed. I’m also not sure if your rhetoric changed any opinions as much as it hurt or angered your real or imagined opponents. You’re not responsible for how I process facts or under any compulsion to care about my views of your post, but then I’m at a loss as why it exists.

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Why didn't they push that expiration date? leftstreet Nov 11 #1
Mostly due to the funny math that is required under reconciliation. tritsofme Nov 11 #4
Don't scold voters over arcane senate rules leftstreet Nov 11 #11
this is arguing with umbrellas bigtree Nov 11 #14
We could also try not attacking Democrats out of ignorance. tritsofme Nov 11 #15
LOL leftstreet Nov 11 #18
I posted the reason. Manchin, bigtree Nov 11 #5
Schumer couldn't control Manchin? leftstreet Nov 11 #9
take some time to read the history of that legislative period bigtree Nov 11 #12
Okay n/t leftstreet Nov 11 #13
Pure silliness. You can't "strip committee assignments" from members who can strip the majority away from you. tritsofme Nov 11 #19
You think they'd give up their power? leftstreet Nov 11 #22
It would have been a completely empty threat, when they could react to any such tritsofme Nov 11 #29
So rigged leftstreet Nov 11 #30
That's just the reality. tritsofme Nov 11 #33
My guess is that either Manchin refused to go any longer dsc Nov 11 #6
It's sad they didn't use another mechanism leftstreet Nov 11 #21
Manchin insisted on the 3 year sunsetting of the subsidies. It was one of his multiple demands in order to pass the 2022 Celerity Nov 11 #16
I know leftstreet Nov 11 #24
Hope this helps orangecrush Nov 11 #2
Schumer will remain the minority leader until we win the House in '26. It is up to the voters whether we walkingman Nov 11 #3
in my view bigtree Nov 11 #8
If AOC primaries him then I think he retires. Ace Rothstein Nov 11 #32
Who would replace him, any ideas? We have to come up with a real solution to the Progressive/Moderate walkingman Nov 11 #34
it's going to be a free for all bigtree Nov 11 #37
Merci! Mme. Defarge Nov 11 #7
Can you post a thread without criticizing your fellow DUers? demmiblue Nov 11 #10
Zero chance of that. We all just need to conform harder and be more servile to leadership. BannonsLiver Nov 11 #45
Yes, he was heading cat as well. frogstar0 Nov 11 #17
Two things Samael13 Nov 11 #20
he fucking controlled these senators for 40 damn days bigtree Nov 11 #23
Good for him Samael13 Nov 11 #25
that's not accurate. Not by a mile. bigtree Nov 11 #26
Dear bigtree -,people just don't want to take the time to Ninga Nov 11 #38
Excellent point ..... anciano Nov 11 #35
no one lost their job bigtree Nov 11 #40
Aha..I should have said "laid off" instead of "lost"..... anciano Nov 11 #42
That sounds like how abusive/neglectful parents talk about kids to excuse their own behavior. RockRaven Nov 11 #27
I'm not responsible for how you process facts. bigtree Nov 11 #28
By all means, continue communicating with others as you have been with the same results then. RockRaven Nov 11 #31
oh my bigtree Nov 11 #36
Thumbs up or thumbs down is the most basic political action we can take Ilikepurple Nov 11 #39
whatever, I'm not campaigning for anything bigtree Nov 11 #41
I'm at a loss as to what this thread's purpose is then? Ilikepurple Nov 11 #43
Amen! Preach on.... anciano Nov 11 #48
how the heck am I supposed to know what you want? bigtree Nov 11 #49
Spin it! BannonsLiver Nov 11 #44
🎼🎵🎶🔊 Celerity Nov 11 #46
Total banger even after all these years. BannonsLiver Nov 11 #47
Whatever Schumer's done and been in the past, he isn't up to the task now Arazi Nov 11 #50
Does this mean we owe Schumer two thank-yous? One for his assistance is giving us the ACA and one for taking it from us? in2herbs Nov 12 #51
Great post. 👍 underpants Nov 12 #52
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