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bigtree

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Mon Nov 10, 2025, 08:04 PM Nov 10

Republicans and their bull don't shake me as much as the dragging of our party and leaders in Dem forums [View all]

...I'm fully prepared to fight republicans on every level, at every opportunity.

But, what shakes me to my core are the organized efforts that get Democrats tearing at each other instead of the republican opposition; especially after the last time Dems convinced each other to pull down the person voters chose to run against Trump, a hair away from the election.

I get it, probably more than the people who engage in it do. It's not like I have some special place in this world where I'm immune to the madness that we're all experiencing at the hands of republicans.

I don't have that kind of life - I have the opposite existence where its like the government has been stalking me with every republican attack on the progressive progress we've achieved in the last century.

You see these types of reactions in dysfunctional families where spouses or parents lash out at vulnerable family members to compensate for their inability to strike back at the actual ones hurting them. Classic transference.

And, look, we've already been victim to this political dissonance encouraged against the Democratic party by hurt people pulling down their own elected leaders just because they could do that definitive thing and feel satisfied they'd at least managed something in response to how hurt they feel.

It's not an excuse, and it clearly misses the mark - so what's the end game?

I'll remind folks of what organized propagandists are doing every day and every hour on the media directed toward us to foment divisions by using 'wedge' issues designed to ignite, inflame, and ultimately distract Democrats from their opposition to republicans.

I mean, even if you don't consider yourself influenced by all of that trolling, does it really sound like something you should be engaging in?

If that sounds a little desperate, then so be it. It's some really insidious shit to watch the wave of mostly disaffected republicans with podcasts and anchor positions eager to claim Democrats 'caved' on something.

I'd guess they're eager to try and make their own former party affiliations look less sordid and as patently anti-American as the present republican party they're now posturing to oppose. Ostensibly doing this dragging on our behalf as they work to form a better and more effective Democratic party than their own decrepit republican one?

No. Fuck no.

When I hear this anti-Dem shit going down, all I can see in front of me is an implosion, basically a retreat. And that's oh so special to this lifelong Democrat who has fought through GENERATIONS of self-immolating pundits entreating Democrats to eat their own.

If that's something that's now considered normal, and I suspect it has become normalized for Democrats to attack the family first and foremost, then there's no limit to the potential gaslighting available to shake the party to the core.

Someone convince me we're not going arm in arm to loser town again. Better yet, count me out of all that. I've already see this fucking movie before.

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Have you thought about running for office? You said you are willing to fight and we need some fighters in DC. LonePirate Nov 10 #1
Bahahahahahaha BannonsLiver Nov 10 #5
Tell us about Merrick Garland again Ponietz Nov 10 #2
Merrick Garland Democrats! John Coktosten Nov 11 #77
Garland had a R by his name, last I checked. GreenWave Nov 11 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #3
What gets me is people looking at results like these and saying "well, they did their best, RockRaven Nov 10 #4
Post removed Post removed Nov 10 #6
Got a link? And she was the best speaker ever. nt babylonsister Nov 10 #8
They are big boys and girls, but our dumbass electorate is not. W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #9
I don't think you understand modern electoral politics Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #44
I don't think the voters understand the ballot box. W_HAMILTON Nov 11 #52
Thank you, well said, and I agree with every word. Walleye Nov 10 #7
You're right. And there's a reason why Republicans and Russians put so much effort into dividing the left. W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #10
Because they know an easy win? quakerboy Nov 10 #18
Yeah, no. It's a lot easier to divide Democrats when the person dividing is only a Democrat when it benefits them. W_HAMILTON Nov 10 #50
Whom do you mean? Could it be Tim Kaine (Hillary's running mate), who Jack Valentino Nov 11 #51
And if we had voted for Hillary and him, there would be no Trump. W_HAMILTON Nov 11 #53
I DID VOTE for Hillary and him---!!!! Jack Valentino Nov 11 #55
So you want to blame about a third of the party. quakerboy Nov 11 #56
I agree except that I am thinking the cavers represent a lot less than a third of the party. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #61
I blame those not voting for Democrats. W_HAMILTON Nov 11 #66
so if I look through your post history quakerboy Nov 11 #74
You will find me mostly criticizing those that contribute to the in-fighting. W_HAMILTON Nov 11 #79
And who do you suppose that was? quakerboy Nov 11 #80
You again. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 10 #11
Good lawd 😴 demmiblue Nov 10 #12
Post removed Post removed Nov 10 #13
I heard Carville brow beating Democrats who are upset about this while listening to MSNBC on a walk this afternoon. CentralMass Nov 10 #14
I see eight wedges responsible for the current discord in the party Sympthsical Nov 10 #15
Who knows these days quakerboy Nov 10 #19
Gov Newsom edhopper Nov 10 #16
I dont go down without a fight quakerboy Nov 10 #17
Only 8 of them. creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #25
That's the 8 that were chosen because they aren't running in 2026 Bluetus Nov 10 #27
No proof of that. creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #28
Either it was orchestrated or they went rogue. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 11 #85
Probably ended up that way creeksneakers2 Nov 11 #93
Don't kid yourself. kacekwl Nov 10 #29
I don't kid myself creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #31
All of them quakerboy Nov 10 #38
That kind of thinking helps Trump. creeksneakers2 Nov 12 #94
Voting for trump helps trump quakerboy Nov 13 #95
Turning against Democrats helps him too. creeksneakers2 Nov 13 #96
*democrats quakerboy Nov 13 #97
Most of them didn't. Those who did didn't most of the time. creeksneakers2 Nov 13 #98
They did when it matters and the rest are doing nothing about it. quakerboy Nov 13 #99
Thank you bigtree. Good post. c-rational Nov 10 #20
Democratic Senators angrychair Nov 10 #21
correct Skittles Nov 10 #23
I also think the timing of it is what hits so hard.... OneGrassRoot Nov 11 #59
See it's not that angrychair Nov 11 #65
Oh, I DEFINITELY hear you.... OneGrassRoot Nov 11 #67
Making it all about how devastating losing ACA- subsidies would be-only to cave--was very poor messaging crimycarny Nov 11 #78
I am so sorry, popsdenver Nov 10 #22
We've got midterms to win mcar Nov 10 #24
What we say on this site hurts no one iemanja Nov 10 #41
On this site? Have you looked at social media and MSM? mcar Nov 11 #64
It isn't a "narrative" Queso Delicioso Nov 11 #82
7 elected Democrats voted to end the shutdown mcar Nov 11 #84
This is going to hurt the midterms Cuthbert Allgood Nov 11 #87
I can make the case gab13by13 Nov 10 #26
Well, as long as the party makes stupid ass choices that make zero sense you better get used to it. nt yaesu Nov 10 #30
Agree and to add FHRRK Nov 10 #32
Well played. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 10 #34
How is your head? FHRRK Nov 10 #35
Massive hangover this morning, ok now. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 10 #36
I got up once to get a beer FHRRK Nov 10 #46
Lawrence just discussed problems for LEADERSHIP of Dem party, and we all should read/ elleng Nov 10 #33
I think you and I are the only two DU'ers watching Ninga Nov 10 #37
UTTERLY credible. elleng Nov 10 #42
Well. Our priority right now must be to make sure you're not shaken. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #39
You have a soft spot for the most ineffective Democrats iemanja Nov 10 #40
Lawrence O'Donnell has proven you right tonight, and all the anti-Schumers wrong. ancianita Nov 10 #43
Here's the link to Rhiannon12866's OP with video... PunkinPi Nov 11 #57
Yes, I saw it, thanks. ancianita Nov 11 #69
Sure, you're welcome. PunkinPi Nov 11 #86
Yep, it happens when folks upload a full hour. But it's worth the info for the 12 hrs that 177 people got to view it. ancianita Nov 11 #88
Senator Chris Murphy and 36 other Democratic Senators disagree. And they're in a better position to know. Scrivener7 Nov 11 #63
They don't wanna get dragged? Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #45
Even worse FHRRK Nov 10 #47
I agree, Bigtree. summer_in_TX Nov 10 #48
Ask yourself this Metaphorical Nov 10 #49
Hilarious awesomerwb1 Nov 11 #54
K&R betsuni Nov 11 #58
You Lost Me At "I Get It, Probably More Than...." How's That... ColoringFool Nov 11 #60
So we should sit back while they sell us out over and over again Thrill Nov 11 #62
Strategic voting to get a 271 vote count from Republicans is not selling out. ancianita Nov 11 #70
Disagree, we're not dragging dem leadership enough on communication uponit7771 Nov 11 #68
So, are we supposed to pretend that Bettie Nov 11 #71
" Republicans and their bull don't shake me as much as the dragging of our party and leaders in Dem forums" BannonsLiver Nov 11 #72
Indeed. Never saying a negative word about ineffectual, self-inflicted losses... LR3 Nov 11 #75
Agree MorbidButterflyTat Nov 11 #73
Moronic things like "don't listen to Lawrence O'Donnell, he's rich"; Tim Kaine's a "corporate shill," don't listen. betsuni Nov 11 #92
Yes, and some rando on Tik Tok MorbidButterflyTat Nov 13 #100
Yes, yes John Coktosten Nov 11 #76
When they fuck up, intentionally or not, they *absolutely* deserve to get dragged Rob H. Nov 11 #81
Well you sure joined the wrong party...that's what Dems do. pecosbob Nov 11 #83
We'll either cool off or pay at the polls next year gulliver Nov 11 #89
March in lockstep is a REPUBLICAN TRAIT! Emile Nov 11 #90
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