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jfz9580m

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86. Then what was the point of the shutdown at all?
Mon Nov 10, 2025, 06:06 AM
Nov 10

Last edited Mon Nov 10, 2025, 07:45 AM - Edit history (1)

I clearly did miss the point. I thought the earlier post did sound a bit like an attack on that poster and like a defense of centrist dem politicians. And I don’t really like calling out other posters which was why I didn’t really like butting in and why I am happy to edit out any call-outs myself.

But it does seem misguided to dismiss actual voters or posters who are feeling the pain of this like Jspur and that too to defend some pretty centrist dems.

At that point it sounds less like grassroots dem politics and more like defense of the party no matter what. That can’t even be useful for organizing or winning elections. And is less likely to attract a younger audience to boards like DU.

I concede that maybe I didn’t understand the whole thing or your posts. I thought the shutdown was over the ACA:
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/05/nx-s1-5596472/government-shutdown-record-health-care-subsidies

But at the heart of the impasse is a debate about health care, specifically expiring subsidies for health insurance premiums purchased on the Affordable Care Act marketplace.

Democrats have gone all-in on their fight to preserve the subsidies, withholding votes 14 times for a Republican-backed short-term spending measure even as shutdown pain ratchets up with flight cancellations, delayed SNAP benefits and missed paychecks for federal workers.

Though Republicans have insisted they will not negotiate on the subsidies until the government reopens, some members are calling for them to be preserved.

The stalemate has underscored the Affordable Care Act debate's lasting imprint on Washington, more than 15 years after it was signed into law. Clashes over health care have continued to animate pivotal moments in American politics, from consequential elections to paper-thin votes in Congress and even a past government shutdown in 2013.

Now the debate has stoked a record-long shutdown, just ahead of midterm elections in 2026, when health care could once again shape the results.

Why some Obamacare critics want to extend its subsidies

For more than a month, Democrats have refused to back a government funding measure without an agreement to extend subsidies for ACA marketplace plans, which expire at the end of the year.

That has left Republicans in a tricky position. While the party broadly dislikes the law, some in Congress have begun to acknowledge they may be stuck with it.

"This is a big deal in my district," said Rep. Jeff Hurd, R-Colo. "I've heard from a number of people who are facing dramatic increases."

Hurd says without the subsidies, constituents in his heavily rural district could lose health coverage.


Like most in his party, Hurd says reopening the government has to come first. He is also one of more than a dozen House Republicans who signed onto a letter calling for them to be preserved. And along with a pair of Democrats, Hurd and Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., outlined a bipartisan framework this week to temporarily extend the subsidies.

Even the conservative firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., has called for keeping them, despite her sharp criticism of Obamacare, saying the cost of health care is a top issue in her deep red district.

"The toothpaste is out of the tube," Greene wrote on X this month.

When the Affordable Care Act passed with zero Republican votes, this kind of acceptance would have been hard to imagine.


Fights over the ACA helped fuel a 2013 shutdown. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) held the Senate floor for more than 21 hours, railing against Obamacare and memorably reading from Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham.


Again, it does sound like they blinked. I agree with Jspur that it sucks and is unimpressive.

Separate from this specific political issue, but in another area with similar dynamics, I have my own personal reasons for knowing by now that blinking in the face of this kind of bullying and hostage taking cannot possibly be the right thing to do.

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Declare victory? WTF? Now that's a winning strategy... NewHendoLib Nov 9 #1
Seems to work well enough for the new American Nazi Party! (formerly AKA Republicans) Jack Valentino Nov 9 #27
between a rock and a hard place Skittles Nov 9 #2
Agreed.................... Lovie777 Nov 9 #8
When faced with a rock and a hard place... returnee Nov 10 #88
another reason why Schumer NEEDS TO GO Skittles Nov 10 #104
It's time to chuck Schumer Hassler Nov 10 #114
WTELF!!!! vanessa_ca Nov 9 #3
But, be careful with the backstory? imanamerican63 Nov 9 #4
Well...I for one will feel better once I read the strongly worded letter chastising Johnson for not taking it up. n/t CincyDem Nov 9 #5
It would have been better TheFarseer Nov 9 #6
Someone's ass should be shown the door for this disaster, Schumer is a good choice. dem4decades Nov 9 #16
The real damage that Schumer did was giving permission for Democrats gab13by13 Nov 9 #26
What's next? What do we cave on next time? I can't wait to see. dem4decades Nov 9 #7
Theres no need to cave. We dont have any power left over anything to cave on. quakerboy Nov 9 #13
His dance on the Democrats this week will be painful to watch dem4decades Nov 9 #18
Excuses and throwing away the next election. quakerboy Nov 9 #9
Now now. Who else are people going to vote for? The Republicans for destroying healthcare Autumn Nov 10 #116
Thank you Wander. Doodley Nov 9 #10
Thanks for the good laugh. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 9 #11
So what will Trump do next? leftstreet Nov 9 #12
In 2016 he said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" Seinan Sensei Nov 10 #51
We were winning the public opinion war Happy Hoosier Nov 9 #14
Correct! They were on the ropes and the Senate threw the match. flashman13 Nov 10 #50
Absolutely! berksdem Nov 10 #110
Blocking Bread and Circuses Nov 9 #15
At what point does this party have a set of principles? Duncan Grant Nov 9 #17
If the first three paragraphs of your post are true (and I am not disputing them atm) RockRaven Nov 9 #19
I'm not sure, but your paragraphs 3- 5 make points. It's a horrid situation all around! electric_blue68 Nov 9 #20
Democrats just guaranteed they're 100% going to be blamed for the shutdown Arazi Nov 9 #21
After so much excitement over the political soap opera why would we not have a season 2? walkingman Nov 9 #22
Your not going to sell me on your Jspur Nov 9 #23
Bingo, you are proof of what I posted earlier, gab13by13 Nov 9 #28
So people who depend on SNAP benefits to survive should just go hungry Wiz Imp Nov 9 #37
So I should also risk going bankrupt without Jspur Nov 10 #41
Very sorry to hear that jfz9580m Nov 10 #62
Thank you for your kind Jspur Nov 10 #73
That really sucks jfz9580m Nov 10 #77
You seem to have missed the point entirely. Wiz Imp Nov 10 #63
.. jfz9580m Nov 10 #79
You seem to have missed the point as well. Wiz Imp Nov 10 #85
Then what was the point of the shutdown at all? jfz9580m Nov 10 #86
Budget reconciliation limitations have consequences EdmondDantes_ Nov 10 #89
I disagree with your Jspur Nov 10 #111
No point in responding to this because it's ridiculous. Wiz Imp Nov 10 #112
Post removed Post removed Nov 10 #113
Kicked and Recommended jfz9580m Nov 11 #117
SNAP was court ordered to be restored and was within a day or two of full restoration Arazi Nov 10 #44
SNAP was NOT within a day or 2 of full restoration. There was still a very good possibility Wiz Imp Nov 10 #59
reluctant agreement HBguy Nov 9 #24
I hear you Skittles Nov 10 #58
I don't understand this perspective angrychair Nov 10 #64
I get what you're saying Skittles Nov 10 #81
The difference I see with this shutdown misanthrope Nov 9 #25
So what was the point of the shutdown? choie Nov 9 #29
well, one thing for sure Skittles Nov 10 #82
Oh, give me a break. hamsterjill Nov 9 #30
"You all perfectly content with allowing hunger to make a political point." Prairie Gates Nov 9 #33
Seriously. hamsterjill Nov 9 #35
Which side are you on NoRethugFriends Nov 9 #31
that is why we needed to keep the government shut down rampartd Nov 9 #32
What are you talking about? The government WILL continue to be shut down as long as the House valleyrogue Nov 10 #49
the house will miraculously open as soon as trump needs them rampartd Nov 10 #55
People were rallying to take care of each other house to house. LuvLoogie Nov 9 #34
" We won it because we made it an issue. " BULLSHIT. AverageOldGuy Nov 9 #36
I dare you to find a commentator who says anything positive about democrats EVER: live love laugh Nov 10 #53
OUR SIDE WON! OUR SIDE WON! usonian Nov 9 #38
Grief Cirsium Nov 10 #39
Agreed oldmanlynn Nov 10 #40
So I don't feel as crappy as I thought? bagimin Nov 10 #42
It's people like you..... flying-skeleton Nov 10 #43
People, lots of us, myself included will die. herding cats Nov 10 #45
I'm so sorry. That's so inadequate, but I don't know what else to say. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #95
Most on here arent worried about where their next meal will come from. nt LexVegas Nov 10 #46
Some are. And some are worried about where the money for their next treatment will come from. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #94
Everybody is getting upset over nothing. Without the House in session, nothing is going to happen valleyrogue Nov 10 #47
That is the single silver lining, but I'll bet my health insurance deductible that they try something Scrivener7 Nov 10 #93
I believe that voters in '26 Mme. Defarge Nov 10 #48
Need to be on top of messaging & outreach SunImp Nov 10 #56
Messaging? Sure. That'll happen. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #92
Republicans are going to pay the price for this Quiet Em Nov 10 #52
Sure they will. BannonsLiver Nov 10 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 10 #54
Why do you call us "them"? lapucelle Nov 10 #83
Not an overreaction ms.pamela Nov 10 #57
There is a reason you don't negotiate with terrorists angrychair Nov 10 #60
Its funny TheRealNorth Nov 10 #61
in substantial agreement with the header on OP stopdiggin Nov 10 #65
Chuck? Is that you? 0rganism Nov 10 #66
Please Do Not Lecture. Thank You. ColoringFool Nov 10 #67
Thank you. summer_in_TX Nov 10 #68
But "Most Democrats in Congress" Don't Agree With.... ColoringFool Nov 10 #71
Thank you, beautifully explained. betsuni Nov 10 #72
They were winning according to polling. Why cave before even the polls changed? nt Blasphemer Nov 10 #69
I agree with you Pototan Nov 10 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #75
Post removed Post removed Nov 10 #76
Im surprised at my response srobertss Nov 10 #78
These traitorous senators.... flying-skeleton Nov 10 #80
What leverage did we have? It WAS a REPUBLICAN SHUTDOWN, Emile Nov 10 #84
Stop orangecrush Nov 10 #87
We declare a win and get on with the business of getting the votes for the subsidies. To do otherwise, is giving Vinca Nov 10 #90
Declare victory? Patton French Nov 10 #91
This is false "The Dems were not in a great position " uponit7771 Nov 10 #96
"What leverage did we have?" Makes things extremely miserable faster..WHEN..Inde's were blaming MAGA uponit7771 Nov 10 #97
Well, it's nice that you feel warm and fuzzy about this Bettie Nov 10 #98
Amen. Thank you! QueerDuck Nov 10 #99
This is the worst of bad takes. NT Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #100
Yeah, okay jcmaine72 Nov 10 #101
Way to go, Team! UT_democrat Nov 10 #102
RULE: Never give Democrats the benefit of the doubt, always assume bad motivations, bash them on DU, betsuni Nov 10 #103
Your Point is Good and True, yet I Still Disagree... Mr. Mustard 2023 Nov 10 #105
What's over-the-top is the potential healthcare costs. Gore1FL Nov 10 #106
Don't blame all creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #107
If the support of casino owners matters that much to Cortez-Masto and Rosen then they just lost mine. pecosbob Nov 10 #108
"Declare Victory" berksdem Nov 10 #109
America is tough. They don't need no stinking healthcare. Autumn Nov 10 #115
That's not the "best" we can hope for, but I guess that's the best that you could hope. Glad you're happy Jbraybarten Nov 11 #118
It is Deminpenn Nov 11 #119
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