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65. in substantial agreement with the header on OP

Mon Nov 10, 2025, 01:07 AM

Nov 10

and at least nominally sympathetic to most of the body.

The notion that there was any 'winning' involved in the shutdown - DID in large part give short shrift to the legitimate pain and suffering (and not only the healthcare and SNAP benefits that were the big highlight - but in many other direction and vectors as well!) that went along with it. And for that essential (perhaps willful?) blindness to the real price being extracted (and expected) - from real people - had to be viewed as in some ways short sighted - and certainly no service to the people. Or at least the notion that there was 'winning' involved certainly pointed in that direction.

(winning like a war widow in Ukraine ?)

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The crashout on DU over the shutdown resolution is really over the top [View all] Wanderlust988 Nov 9 OP

Declare victory? WTF? Now that's a winning strategy... NewHendoLib Nov 9 #1

Seems to work well enough for the new American Nazi Party! (formerly AKA Republicans) Jack Valentino Nov 9 #27

between a rock and a hard place Skittles Nov 9 #2

Agreed.................... Lovie777 Nov 9 #8

When faced with a rock and a hard place... returnee Nov 10 #88

another reason why Schumer NEEDS TO GO Skittles Nov 10 #104

It's time to chuck Schumer Hassler Nov 10 #114

WTELF!!!! vanessa_ca Nov 9 #3

But, be careful with the backstory? imanamerican63 Nov 9 #4

Well...I for one will feel better once I read the strongly worded letter chastising Johnson for not taking it up. n/t CincyDem Nov 9 #5

It would have been better TheFarseer Nov 9 #6

Someone's ass should be shown the door for this disaster, Schumer is a good choice. dem4decades Nov 9 #16

The real damage that Schumer did was giving permission for Democrats gab13by13 Nov 9 #26

What's next? What do we cave on next time? I can't wait to see. dem4decades Nov 9 #7

Theres no need to cave. We dont have any power left over anything to cave on. quakerboy Nov 9 #13

His dance on the Democrats this week will be painful to watch dem4decades Nov 9 #18

Excuses and throwing away the next election. quakerboy Nov 9 #9

Now now. Who else are people going to vote for? The Republicans for destroying healthcare Autumn Nov 10 #116

Thank you Wander. Doodley Nov 9 #10

Thanks for the good laugh. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 9 #11

So what will Trump do next? leftstreet Nov 9 #12

In 2016 he said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody" Seinan Sensei Nov 10 #51

We were winning the public opinion war Happy Hoosier Nov 9 #14

Correct! They were on the ropes and the Senate threw the match. flashman13 Nov 10 #50

Absolutely! berksdem Nov 10 #110

Blocking Bread and Circuses Nov 9 #15

At what point does this party have a set of principles? Duncan Grant Nov 9 #17

If the first three paragraphs of your post are true (and I am not disputing them atm) RockRaven Nov 9 #19

I'm not sure, but your paragraphs 3- 5 make points. It's a horrid situation all around! electric_blue68 Nov 9 #20

Democrats just guaranteed they're 100% going to be blamed for the shutdown Arazi Nov 9 #21

After so much excitement over the political soap opera why would we not have a season 2? walkingman Nov 9 #22

Your not going to sell me on your Jspur Nov 9 #23

Bingo, you are proof of what I posted earlier, gab13by13 Nov 9 #28

So people who depend on SNAP benefits to survive should just go hungry Wiz Imp Nov 9 #37

So I should also risk going bankrupt without Jspur Nov 10 #41

Very sorry to hear that jfz9580m Nov 10 #62

Thank you for your kind Jspur Nov 10 #73

That really sucks jfz9580m Nov 10 #77

You seem to have missed the point entirely. Wiz Imp Nov 10 #63

.. jfz9580m Nov 10 #79

You seem to have missed the point as well. Wiz Imp Nov 10 #85

Then what was the point of the shutdown at all? jfz9580m Nov 10 #86

Budget reconciliation limitations have consequences EdmondDantes_ Nov 10 #89

I disagree with your Jspur Nov 10 #111

No point in responding to this because it's ridiculous. Wiz Imp Nov 10 #112

Post removed Post removed Nov 10 #113

Kicked and Recommended jfz9580m Nov 11 #117

SNAP was court ordered to be restored and was within a day or two of full restoration Arazi Nov 10 #44

SNAP was NOT within a day or 2 of full restoration. There was still a very good possibility Wiz Imp Nov 10 #59

reluctant agreement HBguy Nov 9 #24

I hear you Skittles Nov 10 #58

I don't understand this perspective angrychair Nov 10 #64

I get what you're saying Skittles Nov 10 #81

The difference I see with this shutdown misanthrope Nov 9 #25

So what was the point of the shutdown? choie Nov 9 #29

well, one thing for sure Skittles Nov 10 #82

Oh, give me a break. hamsterjill Nov 9 #30

"You all perfectly content with allowing hunger to make a political point." Prairie Gates Nov 9 #33

Seriously. hamsterjill Nov 9 #35

Which side are you on NoRethugFriends Nov 9 #31

that is why we needed to keep the government shut down rampartd Nov 9 #32

What are you talking about? The government WILL continue to be shut down as long as the House valleyrogue Nov 10 #49

the house will miraculously open as soon as trump needs them rampartd Nov 10 #55

People were rallying to take care of each other house to house. LuvLoogie Nov 9 #34

" We won it because we made it an issue. " BULLSHIT. AverageOldGuy Nov 9 #36

I dare you to find a commentator who says anything positive about democrats EVER: live love laugh Nov 10 #53

OUR SIDE WON! OUR SIDE WON! usonian Nov 9 #38

Grief Cirsium Nov 10 #39

Agreed oldmanlynn Nov 10 #40

So I don't feel as crappy as I thought? bagimin Nov 10 #42

It's people like you..... flying-skeleton Nov 10 #43

People, lots of us, myself included will die. herding cats Nov 10 #45

I'm so sorry. That's so inadequate, but I don't know what else to say. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #95

Most on here arent worried about where their next meal will come from. nt LexVegas Nov 10 #46

Some are. And some are worried about where the money for their next treatment will come from. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #94

Everybody is getting upset over nothing. Without the House in session, nothing is going to happen valleyrogue Nov 10 #47

That is the single silver lining, but I'll bet my health insurance deductible that they try something Scrivener7 Nov 10 #93

I believe that voters in '26 Mme. Defarge Nov 10 #48

Need to be on top of messaging & outreach SunImp Nov 10 #56

Messaging? Sure. That'll happen. Scrivener7 Nov 10 #92

Republicans are going to pay the price for this Quiet Em Nov 10 #52

Sure they will. BannonsLiver Nov 10 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 10 #54

Why do you call us "them"? lapucelle Nov 10 #83

Not an overreaction ms.pamela Nov 10 #57

There is a reason you don't negotiate with terrorists angrychair Nov 10 #60

Its funny TheRealNorth Nov 10 #61

in substantial agreement with the header on OP stopdiggin Nov 10 #65

Chuck? Is that you? 0rganism Nov 10 #66

Please Do Not Lecture. Thank You. ColoringFool Nov 10 #67

Thank you. summer_in_TX Nov 10 #68

But "Most Democrats in Congress" Don't Agree With.... ColoringFool Nov 10 #71

Thank you, beautifully explained. betsuni Nov 10 #72

They were winning according to polling. Why cave before even the polls changed? nt Blasphemer Nov 10 #69

I agree with you Pototan Nov 10 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 10 #75

Post removed Post removed Nov 10 #76

Im surprised at my response srobertss Nov 10 #78

These traitorous senators.... flying-skeleton Nov 10 #80

What leverage did we have? It WAS a REPUBLICAN SHUTDOWN, Emile Nov 10 #84

Stop orangecrush Nov 10 #87

We declare a win and get on with the business of getting the votes for the subsidies. To do otherwise, is giving Vinca Nov 10 #90

Declare victory? Patton French Nov 10 #91

This is false "The Dems were not in a great position " uponit7771 Nov 10 #96

"What leverage did we have?" Makes things extremely miserable faster..WHEN..Inde's were blaming MAGA uponit7771 Nov 10 #97

Well, it's nice that you feel warm and fuzzy about this Bettie Nov 10 #98

Amen. Thank you! QueerDuck Nov 10 #99

This is the worst of bad takes. NT Happy Hoosier Nov 10 #100

Yeah, okay jcmaine72 Nov 10 #101

Way to go, Team! UT_democrat Nov 10 #102

RULE: Never give Democrats the benefit of the doubt, always assume bad motivations, bash them on DU, betsuni Nov 10 #103

Your Point is Good and True, yet I Still Disagree... Mr. Mustard 2023 Nov 10 #105

What's over-the-top is the potential healthcare costs. Gore1FL Nov 10 #106

Don't blame all creeksneakers2 Nov 10 #107

If the support of casino owners matters that much to Cortez-Masto and Rosen then they just lost mine. pecosbob Nov 10 #108

"Declare Victory" berksdem Nov 10 #109

America is tough. They don't need no stinking healthcare. Autumn Nov 10 #115

That's not the "best" we can hope for, but I guess that's the best that you could hope. Glad you're happy Jbraybarten Nov 11 #118

It is Deminpenn Nov 11 #119