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thesquanderer

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68. re: "Why would Trump and the GOP..." - I think it is important to distinguish the two...
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 08:48 AM
Jul 20

Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2025, 10:19 PM - Edit history (1)

... because I think Trump's motivations and the GOP's motivations are pretty much entirely different.

For Trump personally, I think his decisions pretty much comes down to one (or more) of these things...

... his own personal financial gain
... retribution
... narcissistic desire to see himself as a king-like ultimate ruler (e.g. his emulating or cozying up to people who rule with an iron hand, past or present)
... longing to be seen by others as a "winner," especially by those he feels have never given him the respect he craves (e.g. his lust for a Nobel)
... and maybe an indebtedness to Russia, e.g. for having saved his financial ass when legitimate banks wanted nothing to do with him, and finding ways to funnel plenty of money toward him over the years (and maybe they still do). And/or as has been speculated, maybe they are indeed holding something over his head ( "kompramat" ).

I think that is pretty much the sum of what he cares about. The rest of the GOP doesn't care about any of those things, their motivations are completely different. And Trump personally doesn't care about anything the GOP cares about, except where it may happen to overlap with those items above. So the Trump agenda and the Republican agenda have virtually nothing in common philosophically; rather they are each using the other to further their own goals.

So if that's all that motivates Trump, what's motivating the rest of the GOP?

For some in the GOP/Conservative movement, I think the motivation may be genuinely philosophical. By way of analogy (while trying to avoid stepping on any religious toes here), the reason so many people have such a fervent belief in their religion is a kind of brain-washing... impressionable children are told by the people they trust most that their religious beliefs are the Truth of the world. As an extension of that, our typical secular education similarly teaches us from a very young age what all the wonderful virtues of America are, e.g. democracy, equality, and the rights declared by the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed to us by the Constitution. I think the Project 2025 "purists" so to speak (as an example) look at the typical citizens' view of these ideals kind of the way an atheist looks at a bible thumper. We're rubes blindly following a dogma we were brainwashed to believe. They simply don't believe that is the society we should be aiming for. As the Orwell line goes, we may all be created equal, but some are more equal than others. The natural order of the world, then, for people as much as for animals, is that the weak get crushed by the strong. The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is a feature, not a bug. Survival of the fittest. A kind of eugenics applied not to individual people, but rather to the governing institution itself. Instead of a master race, there is a master way to run society, and democracy/equality ain't it.

For the GOP Congress and other policy-makers, I think there are a variety of reasons, which can vary by the individual/group, and by the particular policy. Some may actually have genuine convictions about something, as discussed in the previous paragraph. Others are bought by lobbyists. Others may feel they're truly representing what the voters of their state want. That also means these may be the policies that will help get them re-elected. So then also, endorsement of these things and aligning with Trump and the rest of these policies can be a way to increase their power, or at least be a way to avoid being primaried out of it.

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2025? 1WorldHope Jul 19 #1
Project 2025, specifically electron_blue Jul 20 #81
White Conservstives think democracy doesn't work for them SARose Jul 19 #2
They think Democracy doesn't work for them because BaronChocula Jul 19 #17
Conservatives & democracy: Dulcinea Jul 19 #25
A good articulated insight Gum Logger Jul 20 #82
K&R markie Jul 19 #3
It's the Republican dystopian view of America. J_William_Ryan Jul 19 #4
This. And they want to go WAY back... ananda Jul 19 #23
Agreed on the underestimating of climate change misanthrope Jul 19 #50
It's hard to see how it could not. ananda Jul 19 #52
What you have described is the antebellum South misanthrope Jul 19 #54
Money, power, cruelty. Irish_Dem Jul 19 #5
they know they can manipulate cowards. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 19 #6
Don't know why but... moondust Jul 19 #7
sounds right. Evolve Dammit Jul 19 #14
Egoism Ping Tung Jul 19 #8
We make the mistaken assumption that there is a Gaugamela Jul 19 #9
if you are accustomed to privelege MadameButterfly Jul 19 #33
works for me! Native Jul 20 #84
Because Trump works for Russia, the Fossil Fuel Industries, Saudi Arabia, and he is deeply mentally ill. Botany Jul 19 #10
Christo Fascist agenda, as you said Alice Kramden Jul 19 #21
In my humble opinion OddMom20 Jul 19 #11
Moral collapse of society, engendered by the right wing dedl67 Jul 19 #12
DAMN good question. Evolve Dammit Jul 19 #13
Money:More is never enough. multigraincracker Jul 19 #15
Because they saw this election as their last chance for complete and total control, which they believe now they have, Karasu Jul 19 #16
I've been puzzling over this for awhile... jmbar2 Jul 19 #18
They want to collapse all government protections and functions to take over and rule us like peasants kimbutgar Jul 19 #19
Turning America into a shithole country poli-junkie Jul 19 #20
it's not just trump kbowman Jul 19 #22
Chaos - they need chaos to fully loot the country alittlelark Jul 19 #24
Re-arranging the deck chairs as humanity faces a cascade of environmental and social calamities PufPuf23 Jul 19 #26
Putin gave them a deadline. blm Jul 19 #27
Short answer: They're working for our enemies. Iggo Jul 19 #28
Anyone know when they will raise the Russian flag over the WH?? vapor2 Jul 19 #53
All of the above, Mr. Hartmann, and as usual, B.See Jul 19 #29
Most likely the second one. Dulcinea Jul 19 #30
"And of course this is just a partial list......."!!! I was exhausted by the time I got to this line, thinking to..... FadedMullet Jul 19 #31
6th grade teacher Blue Full Moon Jul 19 #32
I'm amazed people are still confused - Nigrum Cattus Jul 19 #34
You don't think that whathehell Jul 19 #48
It's simple, greed and power with no consequences. Until there are consequences for their actions and we as a people Cheezoholic Jul 19 #35
Trump is a malignant narcissist MadameButterfly Jul 19 #36
Trump is somewhat similar to 'The Mule' in Asimov's "Second Foundation" dedl67 Jul 19 #39
He will eventually alienate everyone MadameButterfly Jul 19 #44
Everything has always been about him malaise Jul 19 #37
They and the 1% will gain even more money and power. That's all they care about. It's an illness. Fil1957 Jul 19 #38
When they have to spend all their money on security MadameButterfly Jul 19 #45
I've struggled with this question too.... Bread and Circuses Jul 19 #40
I think it has to do with Trump's desire to control everything, and his decisions Ocelot II Jul 19 #41
Trump's desire to control comes from MadameButterfly Jul 19 #46
The perfect storm seabiscuit5920 Jul 19 #42
They want to make their current control permanent MadameButterfly Jul 19 #47
Hollywood bmichaelh Jul 19 #43
Trump realizes very little MadameButterfly Jul 19 #49
Had to laugh at the 1939 cinema reference misanthrope Jul 19 #56
Short answer: Money and Power. emulatorloo Jul 19 #51
My amateur theory is they're destroying the middle class because they don't need it anymore FullySupportDems Jul 19 #55
On some various levels his reasons are likely of all of the above. Bev54 Jul 19 #57
The usual "rational" explainations are no longer "rational" as the actions you describe will only create devastation and LT Barclay Jul 19 #58
Authoritarianism pervades American society iemanja Jul 19 #59
"The rich hate us" blubunyip Jul 20 #66
And why did millions of people vote for this? Oh yeah...because the FUCKING CORPORATE MEDIA enabled progressoid Jul 20 #60
Hatred and greed. niyad Jul 20 #61
i'm currently going for "private equity hostile takeover" rampartd Jul 20 #62
Putin told Trump... GiqueCee Jul 20 #63
This!!! Excellent & a must read Joinfortmill Jul 20 #70
Because they're not running a government, they're running a chop shop hatrack Jul 20 #64
the killing of the American dream..... Historic NY Jul 20 #65
My first thought was this is the making of feudalism Joinfortmill Jul 20 #67
re: "Why would Trump and the GOP..." - I think it is important to distinguish the two... thesquanderer Jul 20 #68
Serfs and barons is the social order they are intent on establishing. lark Jul 20 #69
Must destroy democracy to roll out the New Feudalism Kid Berwyn Jul 20 #71
At the pinnacle of wealth and power The Blue Flower Jul 20 #72
K&R spanone Jul 20 #73
It's natural to want to want to find out one big reason that explains it all jgmiller Jul 20 #74
Their corporate owners devoutly believe in this: TygrBright Jul 20 #75
Don't forget to include the MAGA voters. They started this mess. nt Hotler Jul 20 #76
They are not working hard at all. Raven123 Jul 20 #77
I have come to believe that many of that group WANT people to DIE RandomNumbers Jul 20 #78
They are in it for themselves. They care not for our country. Norrrm Jul 20 #79
Democracy has to fail badly enough so that an autocrat/fixer is a plausible solution. nt hay rick Jul 20 #80
Putin paid good money for this relayerbob Jul 20 #83
Speaking strictly about trump, I believe he's addicted to revenge, Native Jul 20 #85
Kleptocracy, plain and simple orangecrush Jul 20 #86
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