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(2,914 posts) Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:33 PM Jul 19

Post by an RN: he has congestive heart failure [View all]

Last edited Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:47 PM - Edit history (3)

I usually can't agree with people who say how sick he looks, but this one has me convinced, especially with all the other RNs in the thread agreeing. I especially like the "stage 4 pitting edema". Apparently pretty far along.

JVD is probably jugular vein distension.

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ETA: I don't believe that this should be taken as gospel. This, and other, observations by RNs, NPs, etc. are just educated guesses. (A respected poster thinks this is irresponsible and I should delete. But there are so many professionals in agreement, that I think it's worthwhile.)
2nd edit: trying to be responsible, here's a contrary take from a physician:
- I agree it could be CHF (and would be nice karma), but venous insufficiency-related peripheral edema cannot be distinguished easily from HF-related edema without the rest of the exam or echocardiogram findings (filling pressures, systolic and diastolic function). The data is insufficient for us to make the diagnosis. So while your suspicion is plausible it is not enough for the diagnosis. -A physician
Okay, not a diagnosis.

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Post by an RN: he has congestive heart failure [View all] scipan Jul 19 OP

You can't diagnose anyone from a distance TnDem Jul 19 #1

No, it doesn't. Scrivener7 Jul 19 #4

Yes. It most certainly does. See my post downstream. hlthe2b Jul 19 #7

Yep. When repubs were offering remote diagnoses of Teri Schiavo, we correctly mocked them. onenote Jul 19 #53

Exactly JCMach1 Jul 19 #18

Of course... Escape Jul 19 #23

What you can't diagnose is why the dog has 3 legs EdmondDantes_ Jul 19 #30

Really? TnDem Jul 19 #35

Exactly ...nt Raine Jul 20 #69

Probably not enough to kill a cockroach. Silent Type Jul 19 #2

I've seen no evidence of pitting edema. Ms. Toad Jul 19 #3

It's possible they noticed something in his hand, maybe after handshaking, which we've all seen him do. scipan Jul 19 #5

He doesn't have any significant edema in his hands. Ms. Toad Jul 19 #14

Good points. Maybe they were wrong or maybe they saw that at a different time. scipan Jul 19 #37

Please delete this. While CHF (especially right sided dysfunction can be a cause), no physician would hlthe2b Jul 19 #6

I don't want to be irresponsible. Not sure if you are a doctor or work in healthcare, but scipan Jul 19 #11

More replies scipan Jul 19 #13

Nope TnDem Jul 20 #74

Heaven help us! If he suddenly dies (which seems not only possible but probable) we get a worse monster. CTyankee Jul 20 #84

Put a disclaimer in the OP. Not gospel, just educated guesses. But so many. scipan Jul 19 #32

You mean the way everyone rushed to stop the speculation about Biden's health? misanthrope Jul 20 #94

Do not tease me malaise Jul 19 #8

Haha! Right?! babylonsister Jul 19 #15

Hi there malaise Jul 19 #19

He can't have congestive heart failure and or a brain tumor BigmanPigman Jul 19 #9

For that matter, he seems to be lacking in courage, as well. n/t Morbius Jul 19 #12

I was going to write that, too. BigmanPigman Jul 20 #65

We'll never know the truth Oeditpus Rex Jul 19 #10

I can see Ronnie Jackson's report now... Shipwack Jul 19 #26

You can have congestive heart failure for nine years? Demobrat Jul 19 #16

With the right medicine Lulu KC Jul 19 #22

I see. Of course Trump has access to the world's Demobrat Jul 19 #25

True, but this is different synni Jul 19 #41

Yes. I've seen it for 13. /nt bucolic_frolic Jul 19 #24

Congestive heart failure life expectancy Wiz Imp Jul 19 #29

It can go undiagnosed for decades synni Jul 19 #43

Yes. Texasgal Jul 20 #91

The Last Responders are standing by Historic NY Jul 19 #17

You Tube doctors do this type of evaluation all the time bucolic_frolic Jul 19 #20

YouTube doctors? TnDem Jul 20 #75

lol bucolic_frolic Jul 20 #76

I've been around it with my dad. roamer65 Jul 19 #21

Hope 💩. Dies B4 He Can Do a Cheney MrWowWow Jul 19 #27

I hoped at the time, and still do, that Cheney's donor was not a Democrat. 3catwoman3 Jul 19 #51

Well he has acute pantload disease at the very least. CentralMass Jul 19 #28

Not commenting on the diagnosis except markodochartaigh Jul 19 #31

You're correct, thanks. Correcting in the OP. Nt scipan Jul 19 #38

Anyone that has/had a loved one Billsdaughter Jul 19 #33

Foley catheters create their own problems Deminpenn Jul 19 #57

He's a classic blue bloater. Scrivener7 Jul 20 #73

OK. I am not a medical professional, and my 2 cents is only worth 2 cents, but . . . colorado_ufo Jul 19 #34

Equal swelling and not just the legs are also noted by professionals in that thread 🧵. scipan Jul 19 #40

tsf not golfing is the tell. rubbersole Jul 20 #67

Reading the comments in the Thread - gave me a warm feeling (smiling). Dan Jul 19 #36

I was a caregiver for multiple CHF patients synni Jul 19 #39

Oh that would be too bad... scipan Jul 19 #42

He will get the best care qazplm135 Jul 19 #44

Well there's a limit to what they can do. Worst case, he goes to the front of the line for a heart xplant like Cheney. N scipan Jul 19 #48

this is a good discussion but bottom line - Nigrum Cattus Jul 19 #45

I guess Vance could break Teddy Roosevelt's record... ITAL Jul 19 #46

Regardless, it could still be good news. 3825-87867 Jul 19 #47

I like the way you think. scipan Jul 19 #49

I agree...it isn't ethical or accurate to diagnose based on photos... Trueblue Texan Jul 19 #50

He has a heart? That's news to me. Dave Bowman Jul 19 #52

If it is not possible to diagnose something without an in-person examination then no one... 3catwoman3 Jul 19 #54

My diagnosis: Zorro Jul 19 #55

Standard medical procedure: Aussie105 Jul 19 #56

Less golfing. scipan Jul 19 #58

Anyone can claim they are RN on the internet, I wouldn't get my hopes doc03 Jul 19 #59

But greater than 10 in the thread? scipan Jul 19 #62

I have a BA in English, and I believe that qualifies me to diagnose him as a vile fuckhead Orrex Jul 19 #60

Of COURSE he knows he's on borrowed time. no_hypocrisy Jul 19 #61

Remember Trump's first annual physical Deminpenn Jul 19 #63

Here's an article cally Jul 20 #88

Thanks was just about to post the same link Deminpenn Jul 20 #89

More links to the prior heart issues from 2018 Deminpenn Jul 20 #90

The make-up is the weird thing Bluetus Jul 20 #64

He definitely has some cardio/circulatory problem he's being treated for indusurb Jul 20 #66

I, for one, do not CARE what he has, so long as he quits wasting oxygen. niyad Jul 20 #68

Hear, hear! Hugin Jul 20 #71

+1 dalton99a Jul 20 #83

Worthless "diagnosis" ... nt Raine Jul 20 #70

Love one of the posts - Sending Clots and Prayers! GoneOffShore Jul 20 #72

Oh yea you can diagnose from a distance. As a retired nurse, I called it years ago. It's CHF. flying_wahini Jul 20 #77

Be nice to have comment from MD Bluestocking Jul 20 #78

Interesting post that you presented in a very balanced way. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 20 #79

I don't care what's wrong with him; but it's apparent that something is, Ocelot II Jul 20 #80

It could be CHF, but I wouldn't bet on it Jersey Devil Jul 20 #81

For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Jul 20 #82

Perfect! Nt scipan Jul 20 #86

My spouse and a friend got over the ankle swelling once their HBP got under control wishstar Jul 20 #85

Frankly Greg_In_SF Jul 20 #87

I learned things. Demobrat Jul 20 #92

This is what I was coming to post, sort of misanthrope Jul 20 #93

Problem with people like Trump...Hell doesn't want them. Xolodno Jul 20 #95