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pat_k

(11,497 posts)
10. I think it definitely has a tie in.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 06:22 PM
Jul 19

Voices within MAGA who are refusing to tow the 47 regime line on the Epstein files are creating conditions that enable information unrelated to the Epstein story that the MAGA cult has been hellbent on denying to actually get absorbed. I am beginning to have a spark of hope that the Epstein "rift" may be kicking off a snowball effect that will break the MAGA cult spell in ways that go far beyond the Epstein split.

I think there are people in the cult who have been silencing the nagging voices of doubt about the 47 regime because they have invested too many years of their lives, and too much of their identity, in their status as loyal "members." As a member of the cult, seeing other cult members "stepping out of line" makes it possible for a person to let those doubts really gain a foothold.

I also think the protests happening everywhere are chipping away. There are areas where people are part of the cult because they believe "everyone" in their orbit is MAGA. It's normalized. Whatever doubts they may have, we are all social creatures who fear ostracization. Gatherings of 47 opponents in red counties is reported on the local news. Clearly, not "everyone" is on board. And so there are more cracks.

If the spell is breaking for some, I think the best thing we can do is extend a little grace. Here's some food for thought on understanding the cult and some closing advice from Jayne Converse in this short 5 min video:

....Shame is too powerful, so they double-down, like trump does. Some trump supporters know deep down they've been conned. They've seen the cruelty, the corruption, the chaos, but they've already invested years of their indentity into defending him. To walk away now would mean confronting shame, losing their community, admitting they were wrong. And that is terrifying to them. So instead, they dig in deeper...

Not everyone in that cult is unreachable. Some are too far gone. Some are on the edge. Quiet. Doubting. Hurting. We don't get them back with facts. We get them back by offering something Trump never will: real community, real care, and real solutions... Offer people a way out that doesn't begin with shame, but with dignity... This fight isn't just about defeating Trump. It's about breaking the spell and building something better in its place.

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He may have creon Jul 19 #1
They were a team... AntiFascist Jul 19 #2
This is what I think. bamagal62 Jul 19 #12
I've often wondered how he met his eastern European wives. walkingman Jul 19 #3
Well, there's this... pat_k Jul 19 #7
A few years later, Trump Model Management was trafficking young... pat_k Jul 19 #4
i'm glad this is popping up from the memory hole. mopinko Jul 19 #8
I think it definitely has a tie in. pat_k Jul 19 #10
grace will b hard to find. mopinko Jul 19 #19
It does require serious effort. pat_k Jul 19 #23
Epstein was a horrid human predator, they always show themselves... No way Trump didn't know uponit7771 Jul 19 #5
Trump had access to many girls via the pageants and TV show. Irish_Dem Jul 19 #6
And don't forget Trump Model Management's exploitation of pat_k Jul 19 #9
You should read the full Guardian story if you haven't gotten to already. Mortifying. emulatorloo Jul 19 #13
Yes it is all disgusting. Irish_Dem Jul 19 #14
Sois Trump True Blue American Jul 19 #21
trump and Epstein were joined at the hip. mercuryblues Jul 19 #11
Yes. Check out Malcolm Nance's latest "Black Man Spy." GoCubsGo Jul 19 #17
Then why would Epstein do this? AntiFascist Jul 19 #18
it sure answers the question- how did the whole rethuglican party lose their minds? mopinko Jul 19 #20
I said many didn't need to be. Some were. mercuryblues Jul 19 #28
I mean, if it was insurance, it sure failed badly, no? intrepidity Jul 19 #29
This should have all come out before the 2016 election not fooled Jul 19 #15
He recruited them WITH Epstein. GoCubsGo Jul 19 #16
Many people are saying BaronChocula Jul 19 #22
Trump did have a " modeling agency" for a while Figarosmom Jul 19 #24
Have they scrubbed the page? They can't supply the article on that link. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 19 #25
Absolutely he did. Epstein's arguably highest profile victim (Giuffre) was recruited at Trump's Mar-a-Lago. W_HAMILTON Jul 19 #26
Maxwell is in prison for a lot more than arranging a party. If you can stomach it, I urge you to read transcripts from tulipsandroses Jul 19 #27
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