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AZJonnie

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6. I think if there's any conspiracy, it is that he was 'allowed' to commit suicide.
Wed Jul 16, 2025, 05:46 AM
Jul 16

Like, maybe he let it be known he wanted to, and it was facilitated, perhaps on Barr's orders. But I don't buy he was murdered in federal custody in some nefarious 'plot' because he 'knew too much', if that's what you're getting at.

Firstly, no reason to question the integrity or qualifications of Dr. Barbara Sampson, the first-ever female Chief Medical Examiner of NYC, who conducted the autopsy, and declared it suicide, in very unequivocal terms.

Secondly, Michael Baden IS the pathologist that observed the autopsy. There's not 3 people here, there's Sampson and Baden. And he was hired by the Epstein family. And what do families often receive when their loved ones are murdered, but they do not receive when they kill themselves? Hint: it involves the word 'policy'.

Thirdly, 2 days before his suicide, he wrote and signed a brand new will. Consistent with someone planning to kill themself.

Fourthly, "Forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, hired by Epstein's brother, observed the autopsy and later stated that some of the injuries, including three fractures in Epstein's neck, were more consistent with homicidal strangulation than suicide". Sounds similar but that is NOT the same as saying "that homicide was a more likely cause of death than suicide". And "Dr. Sampson strongly disputed Dr. Baden's allegations, affirming that the injuries can be seen in both suicides and homicides, and reiterating her confidence in the original finding of suicide by hanging."

Fifthly, there were no defensive wounds, which would be typical in a homicide situation.

Sixthly, the DoJ Inspector General's report concluded it was suicide. That was Michael E. Horowitz, put in place by Obama, and who remains in that role today. There's really no reason to think that Horowitz would want to cover up the murder of Epstein.

Seventhly, someone in Epstein's shoes had every reason to commit suicide. He was guilty AF, he was busted, disgraced, and life as he knew it was over.

In my view, your assessment flies in the face of Occam's Razor.

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Recommended H2O Man Jul 16 #1
Not enough evidence but that doesn't mean MadameButterfly Jul 16 #5
The official story is a combo of negligence and incompetence and indifference, RockRaven Jul 16 #2
Surprise. Our society is run by mafia rules. usonian Jul 16 #3
"Wake up, sheeple." JoseBalow Jul 16 #4
I think if there's any conspiracy, it is that he was 'allowed' to commit suicide. AZJonnie Jul 16 #6
Some of your points can be refuted. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #7
Okay, it's not impossible AZJonnie Jul 16 #9
It would have been relatively simple. Rafi Jul 16 #12
That's not accurate EdmondDantes_ Jul 16 #13
Most of the he cameras were not functioning. The "raw" footage was not raw. Rafi Jul 16 #14
I think there would be a way around some of your points. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #17
No it sounds like you've watched too many movies EdmondDantes_ Jul 16 #18
I do work on cold case crime scene staging. It is based on science, data, facts. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #19
These points can be refuted as well. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #16
My mistake, the only thing I've ever heard called a 'garrote' is the wire with the handles AZJonnie Jul 16 #21
There is something called Threshold Bias. Irish_Dem Jul 16 #20
Guesswork Rafi Jul 16 #8
Lol, the only thing I said that was "guesswork" was speculating there could be a life insurance policy AZJonnie Jul 16 #10
There are no "facts" from the Bill Barr investigation other than that he is dead. Rafi Jul 16 #11
"He could just as easily not been despondent" AZJonnie Jul 16 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jul 16 #22
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