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Cirsium

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56. I am skeptical about that

Tue Jul 15, 2025, 06:30 PM

Jul 15

I have worked with immigrants from Latin America for decades. I have never heard anyone "talk bad about the illegals." I am not saying that it doesn't happen, rather that I think that it is rare if it does happen. But even if your co-workers do, so what? You don't need to be white to fall for the "illegals" = crime nonsense, although it does seem to help. You don't need to be white to be ignorant either, although it apparently does help with that, too. Your coworkers seem ignorant of the fact that undocumented people commit crimes at a lower rate than the general population.

"Our policies" are extremely popular. Not sure how any Democrat could fail to know that.

You have internalized a bunch of right wing themes. That is where an adjustment is needed in order to win elections.

I object to your use of the term "illegal" to describe human beings.

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A final, comprehensive look at how Trump won in 2024 and how Democrats lost core parts of their coalition [View all] Celerity Jul 15 OP

Also can be retitle: Groups who in 2024 discovered that the grass is indeed NOT greener on the other side. Baitball Blogger Jul 15 #1

or, "The Leopards Guide To Whats for Dinner" Strelnikov_ Jul 15 #40

I often disagree with your positions... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 15 #2

I remember the warnings in October 2024 Funtatlaguy Jul 15 #3

If those numbers were correct WSHazel Jul 15 #4

The problem is they are largely"racist". How do you get people to open their eyes.. yourout Jul 15 #6

Your theory is that black, Asian, and hispanic men and women are racist? EdmondDantes_ Jul 15 #8

A lot of ethnics can be and are racist Keepthesoulalive Jul 15 #11

The stats are grouped by race. Almost everything is down. Melon Jul 15 #15

Why do you blame democrats for what republicans do Keepthesoulalive Jul 15 #18

Correct. Too many people here don't realize that a Democrat has NEVER won the majority of the White vote Wiz Imp Jul 15 #33

This, exactly this. K&R PunkinPi Jul 16 #71

Then how do you account for NJCher Jul 17 #81

Hispanic is not officially a race. It is considered an ethnicity. Wiz Imp Jul 15 #23

I don't care about hardcore MAGA WSHazel Jul 15 #9

Quotas and race based affirmative action have been a loser for some time fujiyamasan Jul 16 #68

I think there is even support for affirmative action WSHazel Jul 16 #73

It became particularly unhinged in places like SF fujiyamasan Jul 16 #74

I remember being shocked when I heard that at one point something like only 6% of Biden's appointments to the federal Midwestern Democrat Jul 17 #82

It's a way for more "consultants" to grift the party fujiyamasan Jul 17 #83

Right wing talking point Cirsium Jul 15 #12

Please. The heading racist is used ad nauseam here. But people in ethnic groups Melon Jul 15 #16

One thing that is always consistent about Trump is he has always been a racist AZProgressive Jul 15 #19

I don't disagree about trump Melon Jul 15 #22

Trump is going after those who follow the legal process AZProgressive Jul 15 #28

While I agree with your basic point that slapping an easy label on folks and dismissing them is stupid, Ms. Toad Jul 15 #50

So....the Mexicans not liking the Mexicans are racist? Melon Jul 16 #62

Not really racist as race isn't the determining factor EdmondDantes_ Jul 16 #72

I'd be interested in seeing if this study has been updated fujiyamasan Jul 17 #75

I am skeptical about that Cirsium Jul 15 #56

" That is where an adjustment is needed in order to win elections" Yes. Melon Jul 16 #66

Hard to believe Cirsium Jul 15 #21

Look at the stats Melon Jul 15 #25

Harris was a good candidate WSHazel Jul 15 #38

Huh? Cirsium Jul 15 #55

I'm not even sure all of this comes down to race fujiyamasan Jul 17 #76

You are focusing on presidential elections Keepthesoulalive Jul 15 #29

A large portion of Black Trump voters probably did so because of bigoted attitudes towards immigrants. Wiz Imp Jul 15 #34

Very few black males voted for trump Keepthesoulalive Jul 15 #39

Huh? Between 20% & 25% of Black Males voted for Trump. That's not very few. That's significant. Wiz Imp Jul 15 #46

I think it's more insulting saying they were racist Keepthesoulalive Jul 15 #48

🙄 Wiz Imp Jul 15 #57

I'm not sure what you mean Keepthesoulalive Jul 15 #59

Yes, the "Trump checks" were great branding fujiyamasan Jul 17 #78

I see how dictators come to power Keepthesoulalive Jul 17 #84

Yes, so much of it comes down to basic grifting fujiyamasan Jul 17 #86

Or they felt like the administration fujiyamasan Jul 17 #77

Today saw mention of Rush Limbaugh's 1994 claim that Chelsea Clinton's school required betsuni Jul 15 #26

The figures in the OP are *shifts* from 2020 to 2024, not the margins in 2024 muriel_volestrangler Jul 16 #70

Because a bunch of brainless incels looked at Trump's soft, doughy body, Aristus Jul 15 #5

Republicans had a narrative... biocube Jul 15 #7

The total vote count dropped from 20's 155+ million to 24's 152+ million because the people were disillusioned. Uncle Joe Jul 15 #10

2020 was an "asterisk election" WarGamer Jul 15 #17

It wasn't just Covid-19 that made 2020 special. Uncle Joe Jul 15 #27

Biden dropping out just months before the election was a big problem for our Party. jalan48 Jul 15 #13

"Harris would not have fared better with higher turnout." Shrek Jul 15 #14

Misogyny Bettie Jul 15 #24

Simplistic JoFerret Jul 15 #31

Can we focus on the senate and congress Keepthesoulalive Jul 15 #45

They are leaping to a nonsensical conclusion. Wiz Imp Jul 15 #37

That's a good point n/t leftstreet Jul 15 #44

And that just shows that Pew research on this cannot be trusted with this research standingtall Jul 16 #67

Below is the figure for the overall voter breakdown by Pew. Trump's coalition was more diverse than previously andym Jul 15 #20

Thank you for the additional data Celerity Jul 15 #41

The ongoing open border many people complained about. Omnipresent Jul 15 #30

The only people that really cared about the border WSHazel Jul 15 #42

The border played to Trump's strength fujiyamasan Jul 17 #79

Historically, only one sitting VP has won election since 1836 MichMan Jul 15 #32

So perhaps all those preelection polls that were dismissed out of hand sarisataka Jul 15 #35

Yes. obnoxiousdrunk Jul 15 #36

Old enough to remember that. WarGamer Jul 15 #53

You were one of the few who saw the writing on the wall Polybius Jul 16 #64

All those who dismissed them here were extremely naive, and I'm being kind Polybius Jul 16 #63

Yes there was a lot of delusion fujiyamasan Jul 17 #80

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 15 #43

They left out the part where Musk cheated for Trump FoggyLake Jul 15 #47

I'm guessing that the Hispanic vote will shift more to the Dems in 2026. TheRickles Jul 15 #49

I'm not surprised by the men. Any of them. But WHAT self-respecting WOMAN ... CousinIT Jul 15 #51

How much of those % are people just staying home? JCMach1 Jul 15 #52

I just finished reading the article. Blue Spark Jul 15 #54

Voter suppression full court press JCMach1 Jul 16 #61

Because 2020 was different, with record turn-out Polybius Jul 16 #65

Which states eliminated mail in voting? Kaleva Jul 17 #85

Democrats have to invest in secondary media standingtall Jul 16 #69

It was thought, after that lame garbage island joke at RNC GusBob Jul 15 #58

Kick dalton99a Jul 15 #60

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