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Tom Rinaldo

(23,109 posts)
27. We need to weigh decisions with our eyes open
Wed May 14, 2025, 11:08 AM
May 14

Many factors determine whether someone is or is not electable as President. Pete aces many of them, absolutely, Potentially he is electable. Whether he is likely to be elected is a different standard however. And that standard too needs to be honestly evaluated. The stakes are incredibly high.

Here is a relevant hypothetical for you. In 2028 how likely do you think it would be for the American electorate to elect a brilliant, likable, qualified, openly trans woman as President were one to run? I would say it would be extremely unlikely, even if the chances might otherwise be good for a strong generic Democratic candidate to win.

The same question could have been and indeed was raised in 2008 when Obama ran and won. That time it was; would the American electorate elect a brilliant, likable, qualified African American as President? For some voters I believe that Obama being Black was an advantage for them when they considered him. However I believe that Obama being Black was a disadvantage for more voters than it was an advantage. Still, he won. It IS possible for a great candidate to overcome a disadvantage. However, I believe had Obama literally identified himself with being a devout Muslim rather than as a practicing Christian, he would not have become president. Not in 2008.

We can't allow ourselves to be dictated to by prejudices. But we also can't afford to allow another horrific person be elected in 2028 who would destroy what is left of our democracy. Much as it shames me to admit it, the American electorate is closely divided. It likely won't take that much in either direction to sway the 2028 election one way or the other. I would not support either a Muslim, or an avowed Atheist for President in 2028, because I believe being either would doom their chances to win that year. That might not be the case in 2032, or 2036, depending on the make up of the electorate at that time.

Granted, I find it unlikely in the foreseeable future that it would be advantageous for a Presidential candidate to be Muslim, or Trans, but perhaps it will reach the point that, like with Obama in 2008, such a "disadvantage" can still be overcome.

If the stakes were a little bit less high, or if the perceived disadvantage a gay man might face attempting to win a presidential election were a little less daunting, I could easily support Pete for President in 2008. The way it stands, the way i see it, right now I can not.

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anyday markie May 14 #1
This is a bit contrary bucolic_frolic May 14 #2
Pete 2028! sop May 14 #3
Sadly, unless something significant changes at the DNC... Fiendish Thingy May 14 #4
Hmm, I don't know about that. lark May 14 #9
He would indeed be a great candidate Fiendish Thingy May 14 #18
Party leaders will back the most popular candidate and that could be him. lark May 14 #23
Probably a straight white Christian man SocialDemocrat61 May 14 #11
Yep. Dulcinea May 14 #55
I do to SocialDemocrat61 May 14 #56
What does the DNC have to do with this ? How will the DNC prevent Buttigieg from running ? JI7 May 14 #13
They won't prevent him from running Fiendish Thingy May 14 #19
How ? JI7 May 14 #35
Probably similar to past primaries Fiendish Thingy May 14 #40
These are conspiracy theories. And Pete Buttigieg actually won the Iowa caucus in 2020. JI7 May 14 #46
Beshear. Meadowoak May 14 #15
We just had a woman of color nominated last year HereForTheParty May 14 #24
That was an unusual situation, as the person who effectively won the nomination dropped out Polybius May 14 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed May 14 #58
The Democratic voters will decide who our presidential nominee will be. W_HAMILTON May 14 #31
Sadly, unless something significant changes psyche of the broad American electorate nt .... anamnua May 14 #47
Chump's bigotry on full display tulipsandroses May 14 #5
I love Pete! Johnny2X2X May 14 #6
Ah, yes, "The country is not ready" argument. Bohunk68 May 14 #12
Winning is all that matters, period Johnny2X2X May 14 #14
Thank you for saying this bcbink May 14 #17
Here's more on my thought process Johnny2X2X May 14 #22
How in Rebl2 May 14 #25
I have the same question. CrispyQ May 14 #30
Well, the two times we had a woman Bettie May 14 #16
This is sad . . . Scubamatt May 14 #57
We need to weigh decisions with our eyes open Tom Rinaldo May 14 #27
Sad, but true. Many Americans just vote their bigotry rather than using their minds Attilatheblond May 14 #34
I'd love to see him run JustAnotherGen May 14 #7
I hope he follows through with this. He would be my first choice as a candidate. lark May 14 #8
Would love to see him in the White House SocialDemocrat61 May 14 #10
Forget about it, Pete. valleyrogue May 14 #20
Who is your choice? TIA Celerity May 14 #28
Agree. He will never be president. BannonsLiver May 14 #33
I think he would be great, but I don't think Emile May 14 #36
If Democrats want another electoral suicide dalton99a May 14 #21
Pete is who I'm voting for pinkstarburst May 14 #26
So many above are saying that it would be nice, BUT Bohunk68 May 15 #59
I think Pete is inspirational pinkstarburst May 15 #60
Love Buttigieg! peggysue2 May 14 #29
It is beyond early JBTaurus83 May 14 #32
I'd vote for Pete EndlessWire May 14 #43
I sure hope he gives it a shot, as well as other contenders too. That's why I like primaries, and the whole works SWBTATTReg May 14 #37
Idiot, immature America won't vote for a gay man. BlueTsunami2018 May 14 #38
He might do better as a VP candidate bif May 14 #39
Half of the country thinks homosexuality is a sin awesomerwb1 May 14 #41
I'd vote for him in a heartbeat! Callalily May 14 #42
Pete is risking becoming a serial candidate Mountainguy May 14 #44
Bessent Starbeach May 14 #48
Pete is a brilliant man, but I fear he'd lose the swing states DenaliDemocrat May 14 #49
I imagine he will have a lot of competition in the primaries. Ping Tung May 14 #50
I love Pete and supported him last time around. Unfortunately, at this point I don't know if he can win being Vinca May 14 #51
GOOD! Hed get my vote! nt CousinIT May 14 #52
And he will lose again do to the same assholes that won't helpisontheway May 14 #53
GREAT news, for WE the People! NO ONE smarter!!! elleng May 14 #54
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