China Versus the US: Kishore Mahbubani on a Zero-Sum Rivalry - The Mishal Husain Show
May 14, 2026 The Mishal Husain Show
Beyond this weeks talks between Chinese President Xi Jinping and US President Donald Trump, theres an epic tale that has been unfolding for decades. Its a battle to be the worlds number one power and a much bigger story than the latest meeting of these two men.
Kishore Mahbubani is a former Singaporean diplomat who served as president of the United Nations Security Council. For two decades, he has argued that the West fundamentally misunderstands the rise of China and its challenge to American supremacy.
Mahbubani. who eventually turned to academia, now specializes in governance and public policy. In this conversation with Mishal Husain, he traces the story behind the Xi-Trump talks, the handshakes and the social media postsand what may lie ahead.
Mahbubani also reveals how his own successes were made possible by Singapores remarkable growth.
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00:00 Introduction from Mishal Husain
03:11 The most important contest of our time
05:51 China can no longer be stopped
07:00 US versus China: Its a zero-sum game
08:20 Bill Clintons first meeting with Jiang Zemin
12:24 Cold War comparisons
18:25 Growing up in Singapore in the 1950s
20:20 "My mother never cracked
26:05 China has become a tiger
30:46 US war is a gift to China