I'm convinced many folks here didn't wince when the Pogrom occurred. A lot of Americans have been given a reason to vocally hate Jews - and they are running with it.

confirm your premise.

Take your "squirrels" elsewhere!

DO NOT come into this group and post whataboutisms or distract from the topic of the OP. If you can't discuss the topic at hand, then leave.

This is your first, last, and ONLY warning!

It boils my blood just as much.

This has been a sustained, well organized, decades-long undertaking that, when denying the Holocaust became universally reviled (and it did take some time), replaced it as a more tolerable substitute which didn't immediately evoke neo-nazi vernacular.

Appropriating and belittling the language associated with the Holocaust is indeed the next "best" thing to Holocaust denial. It is no coincidence at all that the effort to associate these terms with Israel and Israel alone is being undertaken with such fervor all across the media. The reasoning behind this is transparent: if perceiving the Jews as perpetrators of atrocities they previously suffered is normalized, then their experiences during the Holocaust are not that unique and not that horrific.

If Holocaust denial is antisemitic, one would be hard pressed to argue that Holocaust inversion is not.

Don't apply to all Jews just like Hamas' sins don't apply to all Palestinians. A bunch of gutless stuffed shirts make up stories to justify their various agendas. They sit back and play games while real people die on both sides.

It boils my blood when anyone trivializes anti-Semitism with a, "Quick, look over here at the talking purple squirrel!" (which, of course, doesn't actually exist) attempt at deflection ...

... in response to an explanation about a type of anti-Semitism...

... posted in the Jewish Group.

The mental gyrations people use to normalize evil never cease to astound me. Let's change the conversation to something complicated and abstract, like "holocaust inversion" instead of the simple and concrete genocide of the Palestinian refugees and their children. Talking about real human rights was getting tiresome anyway.

Jewish human rights are real human rights.

Take your "squirrels" elsewhere!

DO NOT come into this group and post whataboutisms or distract from the topic of the OP. If you can't discuss the topic at hand, then leave.

This is your first, last, and ONLY warning!

than I would be.

I'm comparing Netanyahu's actions to those of Stalin's Holodomor where approximately 3.9M Ukrainians were starved to death. A more modern comparison and apt one is the Tigray region of Somalia where the Fed Gov of Somalia is using starvation to keep the 'peasants' down as an Act of War.

Al Jazeera is saying 155 people! Wow! That's not millions is it? Not millions at all.

TRUTH:

Best of luck to all of you.

I am sorry for a few of the responses here.

Thank you for your OP and your voice.

Try using the ignore feature. When I find a member who is clearly anti-Semitic based on what they are posting I set them to ignore. I never see their posts again. It makes for a much more pleasant DU experience. Like MAGATs, I don’t engage anti semites.

your interaction with them, and you may want to consider that option.

However, it is perfectly understandable and I understand you feelings because no one should feel harassed, especially in a group that is supposed to offer an area to avoid being hassled.

Last night I self-deleted almost all of my posts and sent Earl an email to delete my account. This morning I sent Earl an email that I changed my mind. I wanted a chance to discuss a potential path forward. On other platforms. I have simply blocked people that I had unproductive conversations, but it either causes you to lose context or the entirety of comments of people you do respect. Worse is when you post something critical about "your" side, you know all of these creeps are jumping up and down saying I told you so or how terrible your side is, even if you cannot see it.

What I'd like is a place where I can have reasonable discussions about Israel. Particularly among people that are jewish or love Israel, warts and all. Is the Jewish Group a place to do that? Can I post everything about Israel that I would normally in Israel/Palestine here and we can have a more civilized discussion about it? Or do you think that would overwhelm the group and divert it from its intended purpose?

If that is OK, I'll delete the last of my posts and move them here. There are only a handful.

now I know .

"" What I'd like is a place where I can have reasonable discussions about Israel. Particularly among people that are jewish or love Israel, warts and all. ""

Thats not an easy ask .

I love my country but hate what it has become under Bibi and this most extremist government in our history .
Most of those on this the " Jewish Group " dont want to hear what I have to say .
Im not Jewish enough for them , not Zionist enough for them ......and to Left wing for them .
Which is why this is my first post on here .

Im sorry you gave up .

For the rest of you on here before you ban me ......my son was called up at 10am on Oct 7th ,
his unit was one of the first responders, they lost five that first day and many since.
He has spent most of the time since then in the reserves didnt see his second born son for
three months , was badly wounded , recovered and called up again .
Ive lost five members of my extended family since Oct 7th .
Those kibbutzim on the border like Be'eri were affiliated with my kibbutz and as Left wing as I
and my son ......lost so many friends there including a son of our kibbutz whoes uncle
was killed during the Yom Kippur war .

Thanks for all your candles.

Israeli,

I'm sorry for all of the loss you have endured and I hope that someday you will be permitted to live in peace.

Your voice is appreciated and as a sabra (a term my wife taught me the other day) people should listen to your perspective respectfully even if they don't agree. Jews need a place where we can speak amongst ourselves and have tough conversations that include being critical of Israel without having to deal with anti-semites piling on screaming about Israeli "blood-lust" and other dehumanization. Without that, we become defensive and can't even hear reason when it is spoken.

Ken Dayenu's last post was removed by an admin and his posting privileges were revoked. Make of that what you will. You won't be hearing from him any more.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=144433

You are the source for me that accurately describes the situation in Israel - something that many other DUers do not get or care for, but comment on anyway. And there is much I agree withyou on, and much I don't. While we've had debates, the reason that I rarely respond to your post anymore is not because what they contain, but because of the responses they solicit. More often than not, your posts are taken out of context and are appropriated to justify comments openly and unreasonably hostile to Israel, Israelis, IDF, Zionism and Jews in general. I am sorry, but I refuse to contribute to this.

About the Jewish group vs Israel/Palestine forum: the way I see it, the Jewish group is more suitable ti the Jews in diaspora, who have their own issues to deal with in addition to what's happening in Israel. But you are a Jew, and as such you are welcome to post here. Speaking for myself, I would love to hear from an Israeli on issues that affect diaspora. So please, don't hesitate to post here.

Even more directly than many other Israelis.
I love your voice and your posts, and believe that you should have a "Sabra" leeway for all that you post regarding Israel. You live it and there. Most of us do not.

First, you do not know what happened. Ken Dayenu "didn't give up" because of this group, as you implied. He said he was going to quit, then reconsidered after sending a removal request to the owner and administrator of the site, EarlG. He then said he rescinded his request. Irrelevant to that, the owner and administrator of the site, EarlG, banned him from DU; not the hosts of the Jewish group (we have no such power) and not MIRT (who has such power, but is very limited). So, if you have a problem with his banning, then it is EarlG where you can take your grievances. We had no control nor input in regard to the decision to ban him.

Second, this is NOT your first post in this group. You posted here twice in March 2023. Prior to the suspension of the "no I/P discussion in the main forums", I/P discussions were locked here too. As it became more obvious the rule was not going to be enforced anytime soon, the hosts for this group discussed whether we would continue to allow discussions of I/P here or not. We decided we would allow such discussions until the rule in the Main Forums were enforced once again, then we, too, would go back to our "no I/P discussions" here.

Third, as I have stated, you have had the opportunity to post in this group for several years. YOU chose to post twice, one about Israel and another about a law concerning anti-Semitism being passed on Purim. However, this is the JEWISH GROUP, and as such, you had ample opportunity to chime in on a variety of topics relevant to the JEWISH community. You did not. Your choice.

Fourth, like the first post and the 6th post, you chose NOT to discuss the topic of the OP, instead casting dispersions on this group and its members.

Fifth, I am very familiar with your posts and almost all of them are in regard to Israel. Makes sense. But I am also familiar how often you disparage the American Jewish community, much like you did in the post to which I am responding.

Therefore, I am blocking you from the JEWISH GROUP not because of your fallacious claims of "Im not Jewish enough for them , not Zionist enough for them ......and to Left wing for them ." but because of your negative remarks ABOUT the group and its members. You "participated" twice in this group. You chose that, NOT us.