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Related: About this forumHere's another ⚽ Offside question ...
In this image, the Passer & Reciever are both beyond all the defensemen.
Yet when the ball is passed to the receiver, the receiver is called OFFSIDE, WHY?

Ponietz
(4,716 posts)At the time of the pass the receiver is ahead of the passer.
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)Ponietz
(4,716 posts)In simple terms, a player is offside if they are in the attacking half and closer to the opposing team's goal-line than both the ball and the second-last opponent.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/offside-rule-soccer-explained/joz30fulyxepkne3soxqvcrs
In your example the receiver, in the attacking half, is closer to the opponents goal line than the ball and the second defender.
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)If a team is good enough to get multiple players behind the defense, they should be able pass the ball at will.
It's basically a breakaway with mulitiple players and they should be able to pass the ball to each other as much as they want.
What a stupid rule.
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)Imagine that rule in hockey.
Sorry, but it's a stupid rule.
rampartd
(5,754 posts)kinda like a lateral in american football.
a forward lateral in usa football is illegal
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)they should be able pass the ball at will.
It's basically a breakaway with mulitiple players and they should be able to pass the ball to each other as much as they want.
What a stupid rule.
Ponietz
(4,716 posts)Without the rule players would just camp in the opponents penalty box and the goalie and defenders would pound long balls. We used to play pick up games without offsides. Its not the flex you think it is. Tactics become very important a defense has to decide where theyll hold the line, so there are high lines and low blocks. The more pressure a defense applies the greater the likelihood theyll get burned.
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)I'm refering to teammates that followed the rules to bring the ball past the defense legally.
In this image, the player with the ball excelerated past the defense, where his teammate timed that perfectly
and received the subsequent pass and scored, only to be called offsides
The player receiving the pass was not camped out behind the defense, he timed the attack with the player passing the ball. I don't see that as offsides.
Ponietz
(4,716 posts)I cant see a good reason, though, to reward off the ball players with a chance to cherry pick. It would probably force teams i t playing low block which is really boring.
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)having multiple onside teammates behind the defense rarely occurs.
Although it happened in yesterdays game.
muriel_volestrangler
(107,019 posts)under the current rules, so teams don't try it.
I don't see how a change in the rules wouldn't permit goal-hanging. You say "his teammate timed that perfectly and received the subsequent pass"; in what way did he time anything perfectly? He's nearer the goal than any defender (not counting the keeper). What did he time? How would you differentiate between where he is in the picture, and him standing next to a goal post?
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muriel_volestrangler
(107,019 posts)You need a picture (or assistant referee's point of view), but from this one picture, I'd put people in order of closeness to the goal line as:
goal keeper
receiver
Colombia no. 25 to his left
Ghana no. 5 midway between receiver and passer
passer and Ghana defender near him too close to call from this angle
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)And with the technology, where they show the animation showing the player offside would have been better.
For this call, they did show the animation technology to show it was an offside. But I posted this image before that occurred.
My question is still a valid question. In hockey there is a situation where 2 on 0 (i.e. 2 offensive players are onside, behind all defensemen, attacking only the goalie) occurs, they can pass the puck between them to get the optimum shot on goal.
In soccer, apparently passing the ball between 2 onside player behind all defense players is considered offside.
Rediculous rule.
muriel_volestrangler
(107,019 posts)You're trying to define a player as "onside" because you want to add a new exception to the offside rule, to make it more complicated. I'm not sure how you'd word your exception to get the outcome (easier to score) that you want. I think it'd have to be "but if the player was not offside at the last-but-one touch of the ball by the attacking side, then he is deemed onside without regard to where defending players are". It would make the interplay with the "in active play" rule in the other thread horribly complicated. Referees would have to be checking not just one pass, but two. No thanks.
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)any teammate can join that breakaway and receive a pass.
Both players are beyond the defense, and were legally online when it happened.
They should be able to pass the ball between them as many times has needed until
a shot is made to the goalie or a defender gets between the players and the goalie.
I don't know where the second pass would be that you're referring to.
muriel_volestrangler
(107,019 posts)If they are "beyond the defense" now, then "legally online when it happened" has to refer to a previous time when neither were beyond the defense. And the second pass is when you want an attacking player to be allowed to pass to a teammate who is in front of him, with only one (or no) defender between him and the goal. Your justification for this would be "the passer only has one (or no) defender between him and the goal as well".
So, with Z being the keeper (and the goal at the top of the diagram), and Y a defender, A the attacking passer, and B the receiving attacker, you want this position at the point of the pass from A to be offside, as it is already:
________________Z
________B
_____________Y
___________________A
but this to be allowed, with the defender further away from the goal:
________________Z
________B
___________________A
_____________Y
and your justification for that is "at some earlier time, Y was between both A and B and the goal". So as well as the pass from A to B, this previous time needs to be defined, and noted by the officials. A nightmare to sort out (even if you are able to construct a workable definition), and because you think a one-on-one attacker-goalie situation is not exciting enough.
aggiesal
(11,037 posts)Both A & B have a defender between them & the goalie
________________Z
_____________Y
________B_________A
then (Both attack at the same time)
________________Z
________B_________A
_____________Y
Both A & B attack together and pass the defender simultaneously.
At this point, the ball could/should be allowed to be passed back and forth between A & B
This is more like B camping out in an offside position. This is not what I'm referring to.
________________Z
________B
_____________Y
___________________A
Thanks for the text example.
Let me know if this helps.