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chowmama

(893 posts)
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 10:58 PM Sep 18

Anybody wanna fight about pizza?

It could take our minds off more depressing topics.

This is the sort of topic that starts fights – everybody has strong opinions about pizza. It’s practically our national dish. So here’s my opinion.

I don’t care for it much anymore. It’s fine food, nutritious enough, tasty. It’s just one of several foods that I’ve eaten enough of in my lifetime. (French toast is also on my list.) When Tombstone frozen became available, my family went for it. Dad liked it, we liked it, and while she didn’t eat it, Mom was just happy she didn’t have to cook. College was more Tombstone and also takeout. Then I married a guy who could happily eat it every week. And there are office meetings with – more pizza. I’m pretty sure that if I could take about a 5 year break, I’d order it with gusto. Just not now.

However, the aforementioned husband is the reason I’m still getting my share of the pie. We eat it out at least once a month, sometimes get takeout, and I make a mighty fine pizza at least once a month. And it’s a cheap meal at office meetings. I eat it. But there are rules.

There are 4 distinct layers to a pizza; crust, schmeer, toppings, and cheese.

The crust has to be good. Its primary job is to support the rest of the pie in handheld pieces, so structure is a big deal. I’m not crazy about deep dish because there’s just too much bread to filling ratio. I’m ok with a cracker-crisp style, but it’s not my favorite. This leaves thin, but chewy, and a little thicker and chewy. And it has to taste good; just salty enough, a little hint of olive oil, the wheat flavor of well-treated yeast dough.

Schmeer – tomato sauce is traditional, but oil/garlic is a worthy second. The big thing here is that it is just a smear. A little sauce to moisten the bread and season the toppings. This small amount means it needs to be highly seasoned, or it’ll be unnoticeable. But if it drips, it’s too much.

Toppings is where we get into the weeds. I’m not talking about whether you can have the dreaded Canadian bacon/pineapple. Or other exotica. There was a pizza I really liked at a now-long-closed takeout joint that involved crust, garlic/oil, onions and artichoke hearts, and feta. We always requested the addition of Italian sausage. It was a truly great combination. I miss that place.

Obviously, you have the freedom of your favorites, whatever they may be. But I will argue for keeping the number and sheer volume of fillings to a minimum. There’s only so much you can ask a crust to support and there’s nothing worse than picking up a wedge only to have it fold like a wet handkerchief and dump everything into your plate or lap. You shouldn’t have to hunch over the table for safety and you can’t eat it with a knife and fork. There will be looks. There will be comments. There will be laughter, not with, but at you.

My choice is no more than 3 toppings, not counting cheese and spices, totaling a clothes-safe volume with a decent amount of each topping.

Final layer is cheese. Without it, you have a tart of some kind and it may be great, but it’s not pizza. Except for the one long gone but long remembered pizza with feta, to me this means mozzarella. And for me, it means Too Much Cheese ™.

Ok, it’s not trademarked, at least by me. But I can skip the toppings as long as there’s a good crust, a good schmeer, and Too Much Cheese ™. Well browned and bubbly, a serious threat to the inside of your mouth, but too good to wait.

Let the fight begin.

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Anybody wanna fight about pizza? (Original Post) chowmama Sep 18 OP
Chicago, Uno, Due elleng Sep 18 #1
Try scratch making your own crust. You'll never go back to anyone else's pizza. marble falls Sep 18 #2
I do. chowmama Sep 18 #3
Where's the fight? marble falls Friday #11
Do it with natural leavening tishaLA Friday #8
It's worth it. Won't be ready for three days, but so worth it. marble falls Friday #12
Yes! buzzycrumbhunger Friday #14
That's what cooking used to be, a progression. And then we eat soup! marble falls Friday #17
Yep buzzycrumbhunger Friday #18
Pretty much straight pepperoni pizza. Very picky eater, so didn't eat one until in my mid-20s. Silent Type Sep 18 #4
OMG bamagal62 Sep 18 #5
When I was in college I and several friends LastDemocratInSC Sep 18 #6
Flamkuchen, or tart flambe Old Crank Friday #7
I just read a rant by Kenji Lopez-Alt earlier this week, tishaLA Friday #9
Leftover Breakfast Pizza Inkey Friday #10
There is ONE frozen pizza on the market worth your money. justaprogressive Friday #13
My son loves those! buzzycrumbhunger Friday #15
I don't take money, but they're better or as good as justaprogressive Friday #16
Thanks, have seen them @ grocery. elleng Friday #19
the supreme is the best justaprogressive Saturday #21
I think people in the U.S. or NJ, at least NJCher Saturday #20
Well umm yeah. justaprogressive Saturday #22

tishaLA

(14,697 posts)
8. Do it with natural leavening
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:49 AM
Friday

sourdough pizza is fantastic. Time consuming, but oh, so worth it.

buzzycrumbhunger

(1,367 posts)
14. Yes!
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 02:25 PM
Friday

I like to do spaghetti sauce in my IP and revamp it until it's gone--pasta first night, maybe lasagne next, and when it's at the extra-concentrated bottom end (I just keep it going on the "keep warm" setting), I make pizza.

My favorite crust is ciabatta. I use WW flour and make a wet dough, then let it rise several times until it's had time to ferment a bit, then I slap it on a hot stone, sauce it, add toppings (portobello, vegan pepperoni, or maybe broccoli and carrots, and vegan cheese with a dusting of onion powder and spices on top. It's a floppy dough, but quickly rises in the oven and the crust ends up thick, but light and full of holes.

buzzycrumbhunger

(1,367 posts)
18. Yep
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 07:50 PM
Friday

I do the same thing with chili, which starts as chili and eventually becomes filling for burritos, enchiladas, or quesadillas--especially now it’s just my son and I instead of a family of four.

But now I'm hungry for soup.

Silent Type

(11,246 posts)
4. Pretty much straight pepperoni pizza. Very picky eater, so didn't eat one until in my mid-20s.
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 11:11 PM
Sep 18

But still find them a pleasure on days that I have exercised and eaten little.

bamagal62

(4,176 posts)
5. OMG
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 11:37 PM
Sep 18

The pizza discussion. My favorite is old school New York pizza. But, apparently that no longer exists. I’m in NYC now and can’t get a decent piece of pizza. And, I’m not kidding. Chicago pizza sucks. I spent 3 years trying to find good pizza in Chicago. I’m at a loss. Not sure what has happened to pizza. But, it’s not good. Here in NYC it’s always soggy in the middle. Which I hate! I’ve stopped eating it.

LastDemocratInSC

(4,146 posts)
6. When I was in college I and several friends
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 11:58 PM
Sep 18

went to a local pizza place within walking distance and ordered "A big one with everything on it." The owner cautioned us but as exuberant yoots we were not deterred. The thing was just awful, and rather expensive.

Old Crank

(6,250 posts)
7. Flamkuchen, or tart flambe
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:41 AM
Friday

Originally from the Alsace region. Very thin crust, creme fraiche smear. Light speck amount and some green onion.
A great break from heavier pizzas.

I am close to Italy and the pies here are different from the US. Closer to the NY thin crust style.

tishaLA

(14,697 posts)
9. I just read a rant by Kenji Lopez-Alt earlier this week,
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 12:55 AM
Friday

And Kenji knows his stuff.

This morning @scottspizzatours posted a video that shook me to my core as person after person referred to a plain slice as either a “cheese slice” or a “Margherita.”

It is a plain slice, as any New Yorker should know.

Scott’s video prompted me to go off on an extended pizza rant. You can find it in my Patreon (link in bio, it’s free), along with my recommendations for some of the best slices in New York right now.


https://www.instagram.com/kenjilopezalt/p/DOr8kMLkdcn/

justaprogressive

(5,520 posts)
13. There is ONE frozen pizza on the market worth your money.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 09:32 AM
Friday
Screaming Sicilian. It's the real deal. All the other pizza manufacturers should JUST GIVE UP.!!

Our founder, Gaspare “Papa Palermo” Fallucca, was a passionate guy who gave a darn about quality and creating the best frozen pizza. A Sicilian immigrant who came to the Americas in 1954, he had with him a fifth-grade education, a suitcase full of family recipes and the firm belief that pizza should be over-the-top and get your taste buds begging for more.

Papa Palermo’s passion would come out in a loud and excited voice. Those around him would say, “Don’t scream at me!” and “Why are you screamin’ at me?” He would reply, “I’m not screamin’!” So, when we set out to make the best frozen pizza, we decided that the best way to honor Papa Palermo’s magnetic passion, thick mustache and over-the-top, screamin’ nature was to name our Screamin’ Sicilian Pizza after the man we all loved and bring his mustache’s legacy into homes across America. In our world, if you’re not screamin’ about your frozen pizza, then it ain’t the best frozen pizza there is.

elleng

(140,858 posts)
19. Thanks, have seen them @ grocery.
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 08:38 PM
Friday

Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2025, 07:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Bought one earlier. HUGE box! Awaiting propane delivery, so won't test it for a few.

justaprogressive

(5,520 posts)
21. the supreme is the best
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 10:28 AM
Saturday

it's a real recipe, the ingredients work together in concert. IMHO it needs nothing, it's all there.

NJCher

(41,522 posts)
20. I think people in the U.S. or NJ, at least
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 03:24 AM
Saturday

Eat a lot of pizza because they are genuinely clueless about cooking. They just want something easy. Kids love it.

Source: recycling bins on the streets of my town. Pizza boxes everywhere.

At our house, we never have it. The RG spent 20 + years living in and studying the cuisines of Italy and France. In our 30 years together he made exactly 0 pizza.

I don’t blame the families. Cooking is time consuming. Not everybody likes meal preparation. You do the best you can.



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