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Related: About this forumAnybody wanna fight about pizza?
It could take our minds off more depressing topics.
This is the sort of topic that starts fights everybody has strong opinions about pizza. Its practically our national dish. So heres my opinion.
I dont care for it much anymore. Its fine food, nutritious enough, tasty. Its just one of several foods that Ive eaten enough of in my lifetime. (French toast is also on my list.) When Tombstone frozen became available, my family went for it. Dad liked it, we liked it, and while she didnt eat it, Mom was just happy she didnt have to cook. College was more Tombstone and also takeout. Then I married a guy who could happily eat it every week. And there are office meetings with more pizza. Im pretty sure that if I could take about a 5 year break, Id order it with gusto. Just not now.
However, the aforementioned husband is the reason Im still getting my share of the pie. We eat it out at least once a month, sometimes get takeout, and I make a mighty fine pizza at least once a month. And its a cheap meal at office meetings. I eat it. But there are rules.
There are 4 distinct layers to a pizza; crust, schmeer, toppings, and cheese.
The crust has to be good. Its primary job is to support the rest of the pie in handheld pieces, so structure is a big deal. Im not crazy about deep dish because theres just too much bread to filling ratio. Im ok with a cracker-crisp style, but its not my favorite. This leaves thin, but chewy, and a little thicker and chewy. And it has to taste good; just salty enough, a little hint of olive oil, the wheat flavor of well-treated yeast dough.
Schmeer tomato sauce is traditional, but oil/garlic is a worthy second. The big thing here is that it is just a smear. A little sauce to moisten the bread and season the toppings. This small amount means it needs to be highly seasoned, or itll be unnoticeable. But if it drips, its too much.
Toppings is where we get into the weeds. Im not talking about whether you can have the dreaded Canadian bacon/pineapple. Or other exotica. There was a pizza I really liked at a now-long-closed takeout joint that involved crust, garlic/oil, onions and artichoke hearts, and feta. We always requested the addition of Italian sausage. It was a truly great combination. I miss that place.
Obviously, you have the freedom of your favorites, whatever they may be. But I will argue for keeping the number and sheer volume of fillings to a minimum. Theres only so much you can ask a crust to support and theres nothing worse than picking up a wedge only to have it fold like a wet handkerchief and dump everything into your plate or lap. You shouldnt have to hunch over the table for safety and you cant eat it with a knife and fork. There will be looks. There will be comments. There will be laughter, not with, but at you.
My choice is no more than 3 toppings, not counting cheese and spices, totaling a clothes-safe volume with a decent amount of each topping.
Final layer is cheese. Without it, you have a tart of some kind and it may be great, but its not pizza. Except for the one long gone but long remembered pizza with feta, to me this means mozzarella. And for me, it means Too Much Cheese .
Ok, its not trademarked, at least by me. But I can skip the toppings as long as theres a good crust, a good schmeer, and Too Much Cheese . Well browned and bubbly, a serious threat to the inside of your mouth, but too good to wait.
Let the fight begin.

elleng
(140,858 posts)Haven't lived there for a long time, so haven't enjoyed in a while.
marble falls
(68,712 posts)marble falls
(68,712 posts)tishaLA
(14,697 posts)sourdough pizza is fantastic. Time consuming, but oh, so worth it.
marble falls
(68,712 posts)buzzycrumbhunger
(1,367 posts)I like to do spaghetti sauce in my IP and revamp it until it's gone--pasta first night, maybe lasagne next, and when it's at the extra-concentrated bottom end (I just keep it going on the "keep warm" setting), I make pizza.
My favorite crust is ciabatta. I use WW flour and make a wet dough, then let it rise several times until it's had time to ferment a bit, then I slap it on a hot stone, sauce it, add toppings (portobello, vegan pepperoni, or maybe broccoli and carrots, and vegan cheese with a dusting of onion powder and spices on top. It's a floppy dough, but quickly rises in the oven and the crust ends up thick, but light and full of holes.
marble falls
(68,712 posts)buzzycrumbhunger
(1,367 posts)I do the same thing with chili, which starts as chili and eventually becomes filling for burritos, enchiladas, or quesadillas--especially now its just my son and I instead of a family of four.
But now I'm hungry for soup.
Silent Type
(11,246 posts)But still find them a pleasure on days that I have exercised and eaten little.
The pizza discussion. My favorite is old school New York pizza. But, apparently that no longer exists. Im in NYC now and cant get a decent piece of pizza. And, Im not kidding. Chicago pizza sucks. I spent 3 years trying to find good pizza in Chicago. Im at a loss. Not sure what has happened to pizza. But, its not good. Here in NYC its always soggy in the middle. Which I hate! Ive stopped eating it.
LastDemocratInSC
(4,146 posts)went to a local pizza place within walking distance and ordered "A big one with everything on it." The owner cautioned us but as exuberant yoots we were not deterred. The thing was just awful, and rather expensive.
Old Crank
(6,250 posts)Originally from the Alsace region. Very thin crust, creme fraiche smear. Light speck amount and some green onion.
A great break from heavier pizzas.
I am close to Italy and the pies here are different from the US. Closer to the NY thin crust style.
tishaLA
(14,697 posts)And Kenji knows his stuff.
It is a plain slice, as any New Yorker should know.
Scotts video prompted me to go off on an extended pizza rant. You can find it in my Patreon (link in bio, its free), along with my recommendations for some of the best slices in New York right now.
https://www.instagram.com/kenjilopezalt/p/DOr8kMLkdcn/
Inkey
(435 posts)Out of the fridge or reheated .
I have enjoyed every slice.
justaprogressive
(5,520 posts)

Our founder, Gaspare Papa Palermo Fallucca, was a passionate guy who gave a darn about quality and creating the best frozen pizza. A Sicilian immigrant who came to the Americas in 1954, he had with him a fifth-grade education, a suitcase full of family recipes and the firm belief that pizza should be over-the-top and get your taste buds begging for more.
Papa Palermos passion would come out in a loud and excited voice. Those around him would say, Dont scream at me! and Why are you screamin at me? He would reply, Im not screamin! So, when we set out to make the best frozen pizza, we decided that the best way to honor Papa Palermos magnetic passion, thick mustache and over-the-top, screamin nature was to name our Screamin Sicilian Pizza after the man we all loved and bring his mustaches legacy into homes across America. In our world, if youre not screamin about your frozen pizza, then it aint the best frozen pizza there is.

buzzycrumbhunger
(1,367 posts)justaprogressive
(5,520 posts)a LOT, if not most, pizzerias' Jus' sayin'
elleng
(140,858 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2025, 07:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Bought one earlier. HUGE box! Awaiting propane delivery, so won't test it for a few.
justaprogressive
(5,520 posts)it's a real recipe, the ingredients work together in concert. IMHO it needs nothing, it's all there.
NJCher
(41,522 posts)Eat a lot of pizza because they are genuinely clueless about cooking. They just want something easy. Kids love it.
Source: recycling bins on the streets of my town. Pizza boxes everywhere.
At our house, we never have it. The RG spent 20 + years living in and studying the cuisines of Italy and France. In our 30 years together he made exactly 0 pizza.
I dont blame the families. Cooking is time consuming. Not everybody likes meal preparation. You do the best you can.
justaprogressive
(5,520 posts)This is as close as Europe gets to pizza:
COCA MALLORQUINA
MALLORCA PIZZA
(https://www.democraticunderground.com/1157153652 )