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erronis

(21,381 posts)
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:43 PM Saturday

How Much Fruit and Vegetables Should You Really Be Eating? The Public Health "Lie" Everyone Believed for Two Decades

https://scitechdaily.com/how-much-fruit-and-vegetables-should-you-really-be-eating-the-public-health-lie-everyone-believed-for-two-decades/
Catherine Norton, University of Limerick

Five-a-day was never meant as an ideal, and research now shows ten portions of fruit and vegetables daily give the best health outcomes. Practical adjustments can help make higher intakes achievable.

Good read. I need to up my woefully low intake!

Celebrity chef Jamie Oliver has sparked debate by labeling the well-known five-a-day guideline “a lie.” In an interview with the Times, he argued that the real health advantages of fruits and vegetables only become significant at seven, eight, or even 11 portions daily.

He is correct that higher intake leads to greater benefits. Studies consistently show that the more servings of fruit and vegetables people consume each day, the more their overall health improves. However, the choice of five portions as the standard recommendation was never about representing the optimal amount but rather a balance between scientific evidence and what public health experts believed was practical for most people.
Widespread message, limited impact

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Increasingly, however, researchers argue that this message may need to be revised, as mounting evidence links greater fruit and vegetable consumption with a reduced risk of chronic illness.

A meta-analysis of over 2 million people found that while five portions lowered risk of chronic diseases such as cardiovascular disease and cancer, the greatest benefits were seen at around ten portions of fruit and veg daily. Another UK study found that people eating seven or more portions of fruit and veg each day had a 42% lower risk of death compared to those eating less than one portion.

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Japan has long recommended ten (and more) portions of fruit and vegetables a day. Mediterranean countries, too, traditionally eat diets rich in fresh produce, beans, and legumes. Research suggests that populations that follow these dietary patterns tend to have lower rates of heart disease and longer life expectancy. Similar associations between higher intakes of fruit and vegetables and lower risk of death from any cause are reported in Japan, too.

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How Much Fruit and Vegetables Should You Really Be Eating? The Public Health "Lie" Everyone Believed for Two Decades (Original Post) erronis Saturday OP
Not convinced this is a "lie" Fiendish Thingy Saturday #1
I'm really tired of everything being called a lie when it's not. And lies not being called when they are. Walleye Saturday #7
Ummmmmm, I learned about the 11 portions thing a good 15 or more niyad Saturday #2
K&R tblue37 Saturday #3
Yikes.. I know the serving sizes are much smaller than I previously thought but rarely do I get hlthe2b Saturday #4
Plus it depends on how large a "portion" is uppityperson Saturday #5
That's sort of explained in the actual article. erronis Saturday #8
I'll wait until I hear what RFK jr. has to say about it. FadedMullet Saturday #6
"How Much Roadkill Should You Really Be Eating?" tanyev Saturday #11
with eleven portions a day your health may improve.. DBoon Saturday #9
I think I understand where you're coming from. erronis Saturday #10
I suspect most of us already get that. mwmisses4289 Sunday #12

Fiendish Thingy

(20,851 posts)
1. Not convinced this is a "lie"
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:49 PM
Saturday

Especially since the conclusions are based on meta-analyses, the least reliable form of research.

Walleye

(42,620 posts)
7. I'm really tired of everything being called a lie when it's not. And lies not being called when they are.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:01 PM
Saturday

I feel like the American today cannot really distinguish truth from deception. That’s why we’re in this mess.

hlthe2b

(111,444 posts)
4. Yikes.. I know the serving sizes are much smaller than I previously thought but rarely do I get
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 01:52 PM
Saturday

more than 6 or so total servings (and that's when I make my famous heavily fruit-laden smoothies with either strawberries or mango/mixed variety frozen fruit. I do eat beans or something containing beans most days, so I guess legumes get to count too, right? Likewise maybe the ground flaxseed in the smoothies...

erronis

(21,381 posts)
8. That's sort of explained in the actual article.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:05 PM
Saturday

And this analysis was based on a UK cohort - so who knows how big your pile of mashed is...

DBoon

(24,296 posts)
9. with eleven portions a day your health may improve..
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:20 PM
Saturday

..
However there is a significant chance of running out of reading material

erronis

(21,381 posts)
10. I think I understand where you're coming from.
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 02:28 PM
Saturday

Fortunately I have lots of old New Yorkers and I usually can't remember what I read a week ago. Might get a bit grody after a while....

mwmisses4289

(2,309 posts)
12. I suspect most of us already get that.
Sun Sep 21, 2025, 09:44 AM
Sunday

Portion sizes today are huge. Well, think of the salads you can get. Many of them are actually two or three servings. Many of the apples in the store often weigh close to a pound per apple, and that is 3-4 servings right there. We need to rethink what we consider a portion size.

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