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Related: About this forumPhilip Ball: Are the Mysteries of Quantum Mechanics Beginning To Dissolve?
I was reading Yasha Levines piece Irradiance glumly yet wistfully thinking about the future predicted by Harry Harrisons Make Room! Make Room! (an adequately awful future by any nihilists standards! It even has mobsters!
Why cant we as a global community of like-minded individuals committed to strip-mining and overpopulating earth and exploiting its animals and trees and such (sorry I went to Sebastian Thrun and ByJu Raveendrans edtech classes so that is the extent of my knowledge of earth), settle on that future harmoniously I wondered..).
For unclear reasons I thought of this article in Quanta Magazine by Phillip Ball (who almost certainly was not educated by Sebastian Thrun..or not exclusively at any rate), which is one of many I have filed away as one to read carefully and thought I would share it with you:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/are-the-mysteries-of-quantum-mechanics-beginning-to-dissolve-20260213/
In other words, Zurek and Zeh realized, entanglement is ubiquitous, and it is the information conduit between quantum and classical. As a quantum object interacts with its environment, it becomes entangled with it. Using nothing but regular quantum math, Zeh and Zurek showed that this entanglement dilutes the quantumness of the object because it becomes a shared property with the entangled environment, so that quantum effects quickly become unobservable in the object itself. They call this process decoherence. For example, a superposition of the quantum object becomes spread out among all its environmental entanglements, so that to deduce the superposition wed need to examine all the (rapidly multiplying) entangled entities. Theres no more hope of doing that than there is of reconstructing a blob of ink once it has dispersed in the ocean.
Zurek shows that pointer states can be efficiently and robustly imprinted again and again in the environment. Such states are the fittest, he told me. They can survive the process of copying, and so the information about them can multiply. They are, by analogy with Darwinian evolution, selected for translation to the classical world because they are good at becoming amplified replicated, you could say in this way. This is the quantum Darwinism of Zureks book title.
This leads us to another revelation of decoherence theory, the one that persuades me that Zureks theory now tells a complete story. It predicts that all the imprints must be identical. Thus, quantum Darwinism insists that a unique classical world can and must emerge from quantum probabilities. This imposition of consensus obviates the rather mysterious and ad hoc process of collapse, in favor of something more rigorous. The object being observed, surrounded by a cloud of identical, observable imprints of it in its macroscopic environment, forms an element of relatively objective existence, as Zurek puts it. It becomes a part of our concrete classical reality, which he calls an extanton.
Quantum darwinism..interesting concept like Edelmans neural darwinism.
It is all mostly gibberish to me, because like my sisters Philomena Cunk and Sarah Palin, I float around on a sea of garbage using vague hunches and intuitions and grunting ahead like an evolving cavewoman.
But somewhere in the dull recesses of even my Sebastian Thrun and ChatGPT educated head, with english courtesy of Google Translate, conspiracy minded opinion journalism via the least reputable types of YouTube channels and Facebook, something vaguely seemed to click.
(Well in fairness, more Richmal Crompton than Crapgle Translate..Google is a pathetic joke..)
That article is worth a read.
(I meant to post this in the Science forum, but posted it here as I was preoccupied. It works either way).
LuvLoogie
(8,780 posts)Some cool conversations between physicists philosophers and mathematicians. I feel like australopithecus encountering that monolith.
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jfz9580m
(17,012 posts)Them to the pile of things I never seem to get around to checking out, but plan to..some day..
Well maybe tonight..
Easterncedar
(6,124 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 13, 2026, 02:10 PM - Edit history (2)
And listening to Bryan Greenes The Fabric of the Cosmos. Its fun trying to stretch my ability to understand. Every now and then I almost catch hold. This explanation of how the observer is entangled with the observed helps. Thanks!
jfz9580m
(17,012 posts)I have been skimming it while distrait..
Easterncedar
(6,124 posts)I often wish I had been interested in science when I was young, but I was lazy and incurious, and coasted along getting good grades in humanities.