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jfz9580m

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Fri Mar 13, 2026, 03:14 AM Yesterday

Philip Ball: Are the Mysteries of Quantum Mechanics Beginning To Dissolve?

I was reading Yasha Levine’s piece “Irradiance” glumly yet wistfully thinking about the future predicted by Harry Harrison’s “Make Room! Make Room!” (an adequately awful future by any nihilist’s standards! It even has mobsters!
Why can’t we as a global community of like-minded individuals committed to strip-mining and overpopulating earth and exploiting its animals and trees and such (sorry I went to Sebastian Thrun and ByJu Raveendran’s edtech classes so that is the extent of my knowledge of earth), settle on that future harmoniously I wondered..).

For unclear reasons I thought of this article in Quanta Magazine by Phillip Ball (who almost certainly was not educated by Sebastian Thrun..or not exclusively at any rate), which is one of many I have filed away as one to read carefully and thought I would share it with you:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/are-the-mysteries-of-quantum-mechanics-beginning-to-dissolve-20260213/

This means something for the measurement process: The quantum objects under observation become entangled with the atoms of the measuring instrument. “Measurement” here doesn’t have to imply probing the object with some fancy bit of scientific kit; it applies to any quantum object interacting with its environment. The molecules in an apple are described by quantum mechanics, and photons of light bouncing off the surface molecules get entangled with them. Those photons carry information about the molecules to your eyes — say, about the redness of the apple’s skin, which stems from the quantum energy states of the molecules that constitute it.

In other words, Zurek and Zeh realized, entanglement is ubiquitous, and it is the information conduit between quantum and classical. As a quantum object interacts with its environment, it becomes entangled with it. Using nothing but regular quantum math, Zeh and Zurek showed that this entanglement “dilutes” the quantumness of the object because it becomes a shared property with the entangled environment, so that quantum effects quickly become unobservable in the object itself. They call this process decoherence. For example, a superposition of the quantum object becomes spread out among all its environmental entanglements, so that to deduce the superposition we’d need to examine all the (rapidly multiplying) entangled entities. There’s no more hope of doing that than there is of reconstructing a blob of ink once it has dispersed in the ocean.

Zurek shows that pointer states can be efficiently and robustly imprinted again and again in the environment. Such states are the “fittest,” he told me. “They can survive the process of copying, and so the information about them can multiply.” They are, by analogy with Darwinian evolution, “selected” for translation to the classical world because they are good at becoming amplified — replicated, you could say — in this way. This is the “quantum Darwinism” of Zurek’s book title.

This leads us to another revelation of decoherence theory, the one that persuades me that Zurek’s theory now tells a complete story. It predicts that all the imprints must be identical. Thus, quantum Darwinism insists that a unique classical world can and must emerge from quantum probabilities. This imposition of consensus obviates the rather mysterious and ad hoc process of collapse, in favor of something more rigorous. The object being observed, surrounded by a cloud of identical, observable imprints of it in its macroscopic environment, forms an element of “relatively objective existence,” as Zurek puts it. It becomes a part of our concrete classical reality, which he calls an extanton.


Quantum darwinism..interesting concept like Edelman’s neural darwinism.

It is all mostly gibberish to me, because like my sisters Philomena Cunk and Sarah Palin, I float around on a sea of garbage using vague hunches and intuitions and grunting ahead like an evolving cavewoman.

But somewhere in the dull recesses of even my Sebastian Thrun and ChatGPT educated head, with english courtesy of Google Translate, conspiracy minded opinion journalism via the least reputable types of YouTube channels and Facebook, something vaguely seemed to click.

(Well in fairness, more Richmal Crompton than Crapgle Translate..Google is a pathetic joke..)

That article is worth a read.
(I meant to post this in the Science forum, but posted it here as I was preoccupied. It works either way).
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Philip Ball: Are the Mysteries of Quantum Mechanics Beginning To Dissolve? (Original Post) jfz9580m Yesterday OP
I like Curt Jaimungal's YouTube channel. LuvLoogie Yesterday #1
Thanks LuvLoogie - I will add jfz9580m Yesterday #2
Reading the Dalai Lama's "The Universe in a Single Atom" now Easterncedar Yesterday #3
You might enjoy Adam Becker's "What is Real" jfz9580m Yesterday #4
Thanks. Seems like something I would be interested in. Easterncedar Yesterday #5

LuvLoogie

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1. I like Curt Jaimungal's YouTube channel.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 04:11 AM
Yesterday

Some cool conversations between physicists philosophers and mathematicians. I feel like australopithecus encountering that monolith.

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jfz9580m

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2. Thanks LuvLoogie - I will add
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 04:24 AM
Yesterday

Them to the pile of things I never seem to get around to checking out, but plan to..some day..

Well maybe tonight..

Easterncedar

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3. Reading the Dalai Lama's "The Universe in a Single Atom" now
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 07:42 AM
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And listening to Bryan Greene’s “The Fabric of the Cosmos.” It’s fun trying to stretch my ability to understand. Every now and then I almost catch hold. This explanation of how the observer is entangled with the observed helps. Thanks!

Easterncedar

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5. Thanks. Seems like something I would be interested in.
Fri Mar 13, 2026, 08:15 AM
Yesterday

I often wish I had been interested in science when I was young, but I was lazy and incurious, and coasted along getting good grades in humanities.

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