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hatrack

(63,989 posts)
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 10:09 AM Yesterday

Abdication - Whatever Happens After The Belem Garbage Fire, It's Going To Happen Without The United States

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A decade after the ambitious Paris climate accords were forged under U.N. auspices, the world seems doomed to fail its chief target — the limiting of global warming to just 1.5 degrees above preindustrial levels. Maintaining that threshold seems a fantasy, my colleague Ruby Mellen reported, and it could be surpassed within this decade. Even as many countries have launched their transitions to renewable energy, global carbon emissions from fossil fuels are projected to rise to an all-time high. The International Energy Agency estimates that, if current policy conditions hold, the planet will warm nearly 3 degrees Celsius by 2100.

For some in Belém, the global calamity that will entail is impossible to deny. “As a scientist, I’ve never had reason to be so concerned as I am today for the future we are facing,” Johan Rockstrom, director of the Germany-based Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, said in a video message welcoming delegates to a pavilion at the summit on planetary science. “We’ll be approaching tipping points of irreversible changes undermining life support and will have impacts affecting billions of co-citizens around the world. We need climate action faster than ever. Scale and pace is the only currency that matters.”

For President Donald Trump, little of this matters. He had denounced climate action as a “con job,” wants to expand drilling for oil and gas off the U.S. coast, and has campaigned against the green policies of other Western countries. “If you don’t get away from this green scam, your country is going to fail,” he said at the U.N. General Assembly in September. “You need strong borders and traditional energy sources if you are going to be great again.” Apart from withdrawing (for a second time) from the Paris climate accords, the Trump administration has also undermined or stalled international efforts to forge a treaty curbing of global plastic pollution as well as a separate potential pact to cut greenhouse gas emissions in international shipping. Trump’s domestic policies this term have sought to reverse the initiatives of the Biden administration, which pledged two years ago along with the rest of the world to transition away from fossil fuels, and saw massive investment in green energy as an essential part of the competition with China in the coming decades.

To no one’s surprise, not only is Trump a no-show at the ongoing summit in Brazil, but the White House also didn’t even dispatch a senior-level delegation — as other major emitters whose leaders are also absent, such as China and India, have. At a leaders’ summit that took place ahead of the start of COP30 this week, Trump’s counterparts spoke gloomily of the moment. “Ten years ago, the world came together in Paris united in our determination to tackle the climate crisis. A consensus that was based on science that is unequivocal,” British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said. “Today, sadly, that consensus is gone.” Colombia’s leftist president, Gustavo Petro, who is already locked in battles with the White House, pulled fewer punches. “Mr. Donald Trump isn’t coming. He’s behaving in a way that denies science, and he’s leading his society with eyes closed into the abyss and, with it, humanity,” Petro said. “Mr. Trump is wrong. Science illuminates the collapse if the United States doesn’t move toward decarbonizing its own economy.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/11/14/trump-cop30-climate-united-nations/

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Abdication - Whatever Happens After The Belem Garbage Fire, It's Going To Happen Without The United States (Original Post) hatrack Yesterday OP
As you pointed out earlier: hermetic Yesterday #1
What about his party? young_at_heart Yesterday #2
They'll be safe in their bunkers with Bezos and Musk . . . hatrack Yesterday #3
An operative line in this document comes early. NNadir Yesterday #4

hermetic

(9,067 posts)
1. As you pointed out earlier:
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 11:15 AM
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More than 1,600 fossil fuel lobbyists have been granted access to the Cop30 climate negotiations in Belém, significantly outnumbering every single country’s delegation apart from the host Brazil. One in every 25 participants at this year’s UN climate summit is a fossil fuel lobbyist.

So, I doubt much will come out of this year's meeting.

young_at_heart

(3,982 posts)
2. What about his party?
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 11:27 AM
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Are there ANY in the GOP who give a fig about climate? It will affect their children and grandchildren too!

hatrack

(63,989 posts)
3. They'll be safe in their bunkers with Bezos and Musk . . .
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 12:18 PM
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Then again, I think dying of heatstroke sounds like a far better option.

NNadir

(36,947 posts)
4. An operative line in this document comes early.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:26 PM
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Even as many countries have launched their transitions to renewable energy, global carbon emissions from fossil fuels are projected to rise to an all-time high.


I think this says something about whether this so called "transition," which in fact is as real as Santa Claus inasmuch as while everyone talks about Santa, he actually doesn't exist, similar to how people talk about "the transition" to so called "renewable energy" which also doesn't exist.

After trillions of dollars squandered on this scheme, the reactionary embrace of making energy depend on the weather, solar and wind, combined, produced just 18 Exajoules of energy on a planet now consuming 654 Exajoules.

World Energy Outlook, 2025 (Table A.1c: World energy supply, page 426.)

"Renewable energy" doesn't work.

The problem is not one about money or effort. We are no different than the Saudi Arabian delegates when we claim that "renewable energy" has anything to do with addressing the collapse of the planetary atmosphere.

It doesn't.

It never did.

It's sole purpose was to attack the world's last best hope, nuclear energy.

At the Potsdam Institute, they ought to acknowledge that Germany, the country in which they operate, they didn't phase out coal. They embraced coal.

Instead they shut their nuclear plants.

It's easier to point fingers than it is to look in the mirror, I guess.

In my opinion there isn't and never has been a serious look at reality either among climate deniers, or people who support the fossil fuel dependent so called "renewable energy" "solution."

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