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hatrack

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Tue Sep 9, 2025, 08:35 AM Tuesday

Study: No Geoengeering Concepts - Largely PR Exercises - Likely To Work: "We Have To Stop Giving People False Hope"

A team of the world’s best ice and climate researchers studied a handful of recently publicized engineering concepts for protecting Earth’s polar ice caps and found that none of them are likely to work. Their peer-reviewed research, published Tuesday, shows some of the untested ideas, such as dispersing particles in the atmosphere to dim sunlight or trying to refreeze ice sheets with pumped water, could have unintended and dangerous consequences.

The various speculative notions that have been floated, mainly via public relations efforts, include things such as spreading reflective particles over newly formed sea ice to promote its persistence and growth; building giant ocean-bottom sea walls or curtains to deflect warmer streams of water away from ice shelves; pumping water from the base of glaciers to the surface to refreeze it, and even intentionally polluting the upper atmosphere with sulfur-based or other reflective particles to dim sunlight. Research shows the particle-based sunlight-dimming concept could shift rainfall patterns like seasonal monsoons critical for agriculture in some areas, and also intensify regional heat, precipitation and drought extremes. And the authors of the new paper wrote that some of the mechanical interventions to preserve ice would likely disrupt regional ocean ecosystems, including the marine food chain, from tiny krill to giant whales.

Lead author Martin Siegert, a glaciologist at the University of Exeter, said that to provide a comprehensive view of the challenges, the new paper included 40 authors with expertise in fields including oceanography, marine biology, glaciology and atmospheric science. The paper counters a promotional geo-engineering narrative with science-based evidence showing the difficulties and unintended consequences of some of the aspirational ventures, he said. Most geoengineering ideas are climate Band-Aids at best. They only address symptoms, he added, but don’t tackle the root cause of the problem—greenhouse gas emissions.

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To assess the feasibility of five specific concepts, he said they developed a set of questions that could also apply to geoengineering proposals in areas other than the poles. In nearly every case, they found that the costs and logistics are prohibitive, and that there’s no reason to think they would be effective in protecting ice or reducing the impacts of global warming in other ways. The first question, he said, is whether the idea would even work in practice. Then, it’s important to think about risks, both the obvious ones and the unexpected side effects that might come with any intervention large enough to affect the climate. Money is an obvious factor, since these kinds of projects could cost tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars.

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https://insideclimatenews.org/news/09092025/geoengineering-polar-ice-melt/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/science/articles/10.3389/fsci.2025.1527393/full

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Study: No Geoengeering Concepts - Largely PR Exercises - Likely To Work: "We Have To Stop Giving People False Hope" (Original Post) hatrack Tuesday OP
I have a second grandkid on the way exboyfil Tuesday #1
The successful propaganda that prevented fission from doing what it might have done... NNadir Tuesday #2

exboyfil

(18,279 posts)
1. I have a second grandkid on the way
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 08:47 AM
Tuesday

Hell of a world we are going to leave them.

We won't stop digging or pumping carbon out of the ground until the last economical unit is gathered and burned.

Fusion won't save us.

Fission won't save us.

AI will be a hungry energy beast

We need to cover the entire state of Arizona with solar panels just to meet our current electrical needs even without electric based transportation.

Positive feedback loop. As the temperature goes up, our use of electricity goes up.

Release of greenhouse gases in the Artic with the permafrost melt (another positive feedback loop).

NNadir

(36,577 posts)
2. The successful propaganda that prevented fission from doing what it might have done...
Tue Sep 9, 2025, 09:02 AM
Tuesday

...to prevent this outcome - the subject of some gloating here - does not change the fact that among all options to save what can be saved, it remains, as always, the best option there is.

This has been true for over 70 years.

What is subject to being saved grows smaller by the hour and still we hear objections to this reality.

It will not prevent vast tragedy, but may save something, perhaps not much, but something.

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