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littlemissmartypants

(27,213 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:44 AM Apr 10

Carney's Checkmate: How Canada's Quiet Bond Play Forced Trump to Drop Tariffs


Carney, Japan And The EU proved America's Idiot Emperor Has No Clothes

Dean Blundell
Apr 10, 2025

Let’s talk about the moment Donald Trump blinked. It wasn’t loud. It wasn’t a tweetstorm or a rally rant. When the tariff threats that had the world on edge—125% on China, 25% on Canada’s autos, a global trade war in the making—suddenly softened. A “pause,” he called it. A complete turnaround from the chest-thumping of the past week. And the reason? Mark Carney and a slow, deliberate financial maneuver that most people didn’t even notice: the coordinated Treasury bond slow bleed.


Trump CAVES: Orders 90 Day Pause on All Tariffs While Increasing China's Tariff Rate to 125%
Dean Blundell
·
Apr 9

Social media post text capture from image:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Based on the lack of respect that China has shown to the World's Markets, I am hereby raising the Tariff charged to China by the United States of America to 125%, effective immediately. At some point, hopefully in the near future, China will realize that the days of ripping off the U.S.A., and other Countries, is no longer sustainable or acceptable. Conversely, and based on the fact that more than 75 Countries have called Representatives of the United States, including the Departments of Commerce, Treasury, and the USTR, to negotiate a solution to the subjects being discussed relative to Trade, Trade Barriers, Tariffs, Currency Manipulation, and Non Monetary


This wasn’t about bravado. It was about leverage. Cold, calculated, and devastatingly effective.

Snip...

Rewind a bit. While Trump was gearing up his trade war machine, Carney, Canada’s Prime Minister, wasn’t just sitting in Ottawa twiddling his thumbs. He’d been quietly increasing Canada’s holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds—over $350 billion worth by early 2025, part of the $8.53 trillion foreign countries hold in U.S. debt. On the surface, it looked like a safe play, a hedge against economic chaos. But it wasn’t just defense. It was a loaded gun.

Carney didn’t stop there. He took his case to Europe. Not for photo ops, but for closed-door meetings with the EU’s heavy hitters—Germany, France, the Netherlands. Japan was in the room too, listening closely. The pitch was simple: if Trump went too far with tariffs, Canada wouldn’t just retaliate with duties on American cars or steel. It would start offloading those Treasury bonds. Not a fire sale—nothing so crude. A slow, steady bleed. A signal to the markets that the U.S. dollar’s perch wasn’t so secure.

Snip...more...much more...

https://deanblundell.substack.com/p/carneys-checkmate-how-canadas-quiet


RESIST!!
❤️pants
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Carney's Checkmate: How Canada's Quiet Bond Play Forced Trump to Drop Tariffs (Original Post) littlemissmartypants Apr 10 OP
They could strangle us with the bond market. Scrivener7 Apr 10 #1
Explainer: What just happened in the U.S. Treasury market? UpInArms Apr 10 #2
Heard an analyst opinion that we were approaching a financial meltdown close to the 2008 Bush wiggs Apr 10 #13
"Beautiful." "Big-league." "Perfect." "Bad people" Good God, his language skills are so limited. eppur_se_muova Apr 10 #31
Wow! I was wondering about that Raven123 Apr 10 #3
Yep. My son and I said TSF got hit hard by real economists selling off the sinkingfeeling Apr 10 #4
Do magas know what the bond market is? CrispyQ Apr 10 #26
Nicely leighbythesea2 Apr 10 #5
Wow. That was smart! ananda Apr 10 #6
Fascinating. Thanks! Dr. Carney, PhD Econ versus tRump, B.A. Econ (did he even sit the exams). nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 10 #7
Mark Carney the banker Historic NY Apr 10 #8
This was not a death blow, more like a shot across the bow. Bluetus Apr 10 #15
Trump screwing with China who hold a lots of our debt. Historic NY Apr 10 #25
Luxembourg is surprising to me. Bluetus Apr 10 #30
Wow! the rest of the story Wild blueberry Apr 10 #9
Another way in which we can't stand against the rest of the world as enemy. nt wiggs Apr 10 #10
IIRC the EU represents the second biggest economy in the world. Combined with other countries TSF wiggs Apr 10 #12
I have seen absolutely no proof of this and not Bev54 Apr 10 #11
He was in position to advise this move since last September liberalgunwilltravel Apr 10 #18
Yes all true but where is the proof of these assertions, he was Bev54 Apr 10 #23
I Don't Think Anyone Actually Doing This modrepub Apr 10 #29
I kind of wondered if the Saudis are buying it up now. Bev54 Apr 10 #32
who is the genius? et tu Apr 10 #19
Well definitely not Trump but I don't know it was Bev54 Apr 10 #24
Kick! SheltieLover Apr 10 #14
Excellent info! Thanks for posting, pants! wordstroken Apr 10 #16
Carney, Japan and the EU beat trump at his own game. MLWR Apr 10 #17
And he's still saying it's "... raising the Tariff charged TO China..." William Seger Apr 10 #20
Wow! This is a must read. Joinfortmill Apr 10 #21
Thank you PM Carney! poli-junkie Apr 10 #22
Brilliant! Ocelot II Apr 10 #27
Mr. "art of the deal" progressoid Apr 10 #28
An example of the sad bond market: Vanguard Intermediate Term Treasury fund only 1.08%/yr since 1/2015 progree Apr 10 #33
This is fascinating! n/t yellow dahlia Apr 10 #34
I wouldn't normally contest this any further but because it got so many likes and Bev54 Apr 11 #35

UpInArms

(52,630 posts)
2. Explainer: What just happened in the U.S. Treasury market?
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:58 AM
Apr 10

LONDON, April 10 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to pause the hefty duties he had said he would impose on dozens of countries one week ago followed turmoil in financial markets that included an acute selloff in the $29 trillion Treasury market.

Trump said on Wednesday the bond market had recovered well after investors became queasy about it in reaction to his tariff announcements.

"The bond market now is beautiful," he told reporters.

The selloff is the latest sign of the power of government bond markets to act as a restraint on policymakers, while talk of a return of so-called bond vigilantes has risen in recent years.

WHAT HAPPENED IN BOND MARKETS THIS WEEK?

In short, the U.S. Treasury market -- a central pillar of the global financial system -- came under heavy selling pressure, sending 10-year borrowing costs surging.

At one-point, 10-year bond yields were set for their biggest weekly jump in more than a decade. Bond yields move inversely to the price. Trading at 4.27% on Thursday, those yields are comfortably below Wednesday's peak of 4.51% . They are also well below the high of almost 5% hit in late 2023 and the double-digit levels seen in the 1980s.

Notably, this jump was a sharp reversal of the initial fall seen after Trump's sweeping tariff announcement last week that raised U.S. recession risks and expectations for rate cuts.

More at:


https://archive.ph/aFwkA

wiggs

(8,201 posts)
13. Heard an analyst opinion that we were approaching a financial meltdown close to the 2008 Bush
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:46 PM
Apr 10

meltdown. Not widely reported how much risk there is out there. Derivatives are back. Recession looming. World considering switching official currency from US dollars to something else. Treasury sell off risk.

On the one hand, TSF probably doesn't want blame (though he can delude himself into alternative facts)...on the other financial chaos shock can lead to greater inequality and a rise in fascism, historically.

eppur_se_muova

(38,922 posts)
31. "Beautiful." "Big-league." "Perfect." "Bad people" Good God, his language skills are so limited.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:59 PM
Apr 10

I know some experts -- well, English majors, at least -- have analyzed Turnip's speech patterns and concluded he speaks and writes at about a fifth-grade level (apparently fifth graders have declined since my childhood). Has anyone done an analysis of his vocabulary, to show how much he relies on the same words and phrases over and over and has command of only a very small subset of the English language ? What's the estimated size of his vocabulary ? If anyone ever does a word cloud of his collected speeches (*as given*, not after cleanup, aka "Millerizing&quot I bet it would be the tightest, most closely grouped word cloud ever.

Raven123

(6,604 posts)
3. Wow! I was wondering about that
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:15 AM
Apr 10

Many countries own some treasuries. Each country could offload some without damaging their own economy, but collectively could flood the market. Nice play, Carney

sinkingfeeling

(55,073 posts)
4. Yep. My son and I said TSF got hit hard by real economists selling off the
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:35 AM
Apr 10

Treasury bonds.
Thanks for posting this article that tells the background story.

Bluetus

(969 posts)
15. This was not a death blow, more like a shot across the bow.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:48 PM
Apr 10

I believe there were at least 3 objectives with this move:

1) Remind people in the Beltway that the US has been accumulating massive debt. That means other countries have been funding our lifestyle. And this shows that they are willing to band together.

2) Hit corporate execs hard with the threat of their borrowing costs going way up, after a decade of practically free money.

3) Show Trump that other countries have the power to explode the cost of the US government. With today's cheap money, we pay almost a trillion dollars a year in interest, which is about 13% of our budget, roughly the same as the entire defense budget. The foreign debt-holders could conceivably push this to twice its current size, which would be calamitous.

Trump didn't come to any realizations. He simply got beat up by Jamie Dimon, Musk and others who understand how this could blow up in our faces.

The big question is China. China is the second-largest holder of US debt (second to Japan). Canada and friends decide to include CHina in their club, this would be huge amount of economic leverage over the US.

Bottom line, this is what 45 years of Reaganomics has done to us. When Reagan took office, foreign countries held about $30 billion of our debt -- an insignificant amount. In today's dollars, that's a little over $100 billion. That's not enough to worry about. Thanks to the miracle of Reaganomics, today the amount of US debt held by foreign countries is about $8 trillion.

Bluetus

(969 posts)
30. Luxembourg is surprising to me.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:29 PM
Apr 10

That big chunk from the Cayman Islands is probably mostly Russian.

I doubt Canada would get the UK to go along. but if Canada, Japan, Belgium, France, Singapore, Brazil, and Norway acted as a bloc, this would be enormous leverage.

And the really big risk is that they all decide they are better off teaming with China than Trumpistan, they can crash our entire economic system. Along those same lines, if China is seen as a more reliable trading partner, they could basically fence the US off from the rest of the world economies.

It can't really go that far because countries like Germany, Japan, and Korea have big investments on the ground in the US. Trump's next step would be to nationalize all those factories, a la Fidel Castro.

No matter which way this goes, it is a huge financial mess, and completely unnecessary. One wonders if there comes a point where the multinational corporations decide that Trump has to be eliminated.

wiggs

(8,201 posts)
12. IIRC the EU represents the second biggest economy in the world. Combined with other countries TSF
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:42 PM
Apr 10

has abused, we don't 'have all the cards' that he thinks we have.

Biden united NATO countries and others against Russia...TSF is uniting the rest of the world against us.

Bev54

(12,389 posts)
11. I have seen absolutely no proof of this and not
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:37 PM
Apr 10

One Canadian press corp has asked Carney about this. Carney was not even PM until mid March, so he would not be responsible for buying US bonds. Is he smart enough, yes but this is pure speculation and not well thought out.

18. He was in position to advise this move since last September
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:03 PM
Apr 10

Carney also worked as one of many informal advisors to Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau during the COVID-19 pandemic and was made chair of the Liberal Party's economic growth taskforce in September 2024.

Bev54

(12,389 posts)
23. Yes all true but where is the proof of these assertions, he was
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:41 PM
Apr 10

He was an advisor and Canada did sell, along with other countries, their US bonds but I have not seen or heard anything that backs up this guys assertions that this was all to do with Carney. I voted for Carney for leadership and will vote for him in the general election but other than seeing this yesterday on a Substack, there is no other reporting on it.

modrepub

(3,820 posts)
29. I Don't Think Anyone Actually Doing This
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:05 PM
Apr 10

Would want to be easily caught with their hand in the cookie jar so to speak.

But I think collectively speaking countries that buy our debt should be having second thoughts about now. Trump and the Republicans are on the verge of generation another massive budget deficit that will need to be funded. That coupled with a lot of debt needing refinanced this year is probably a bit unnerving especially that a Recession is on the horizon.

I don’t believe a few players can overly influence the bond market and they certainly wouldn’t want to be caught red handed. But given the current economic uncertainty and the amount of current and anticipated US debt, why is anyone surprised by how the bond market is behaving?

et tu

(2,152 posts)
19. who is the genius?
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:14 PM
Apr 10

definitely not krasnov and trudeau and carney
aren't stupid-
o canada!!!

Bev54

(12,389 posts)
24. Well definitely not Trump but I don't know it was
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:44 PM
Apr 10

Trudeau or Carney, other than circumstances that made many dump their bonds.

William Seger

(11,548 posts)
20. And he's still saying it's "... raising the Tariff charged TO China..."
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:15 PM
Apr 10

... and saying that a trade deficit means other countries are ripping us off. How can anyone involved in any way with finance not be terrified that such an ignorant person is deliberately causing such chaos and damage?

progree

(11,834 posts)
33. An example of the sad bond market: Vanguard Intermediate Term Treasury fund only 1.08%/yr since 1/2015
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:03 PM
Apr 10

Last edited Fri Apr 11, 2025, 01:22 AM - Edit history (1)

and volatile. A good graph of that volatility, e.g. Vanguard IntermediateTerm Treasury Admiral VFIUX
https://www.morningstar.com/funds/xnas/vfiux/performance

plus a table of total annual returns by year. Negative numbers are in parenthesis ( )
2015 1.61%
2016 1.29%
2017 1.67%
2018 1.10%
2019 6.39%
2020 8.31%
2021 (2.19%)
2022 (10.34%)
2023 4.18%
2024 1.48%
YTD 2.78%

which shows some of the volatility and the piss-poor returns.
Since the beginning of 2015, its total return is cumulatively only 11.61%
(A $10,000 investment grew only to $11,161 in those 10.25 years)
which comes to an average annualized total return of only (1.1161^(1/10.25) -1)*100% = 1.077%/yr

And as far as purchasing power, it is way underwater:
CPI: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0
1/2015: 234.747
3/2025: 319.615
So, consumer costs rose 36.15% during that period.
The purchasing power of the $10,000 bond portfolio is now only $8,197 (=234.747/319.615 * $11,161), an 18.03% decrease.

Bev54

(12,389 posts)
35. I wouldn't normally contest this any further but because it got so many likes and
Fri Apr 11, 2025, 01:53 PM
Apr 11

is misinformation, I am sending this article to you so you can set the record straight. I would love it if our PM and country were as powerful as this deanblundell thinks we are, but it is not the case and we should keep things real.

Here is an article that counters his substack

https://axorc.substack.com/p/no-mark-carney-didnt-sell-off-us

So no—this wasn’t a Treasury bond ambush. It was diplomacy done right. Quiet. Strategic. And impossible to ignore.

And for that we should give Carney full marks.
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