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mahatmakanejeeves

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Tue Sep 23, 2025, 10:43 PM Tuesday

What To Expect From Friday's Report On Inflation

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What To Expect From Friday's Report On Inflation

Diccon Hyatt
Mon, September 22, 2025 at 6:13 PM EDT • 2 min read

Key Takeaways

• A key report on inflation on Friday is expected to show consumer prices rose 2.7% over the year in August, up from a 2.6% annual increase in July.
• Economists' average expectation is that core inflation will be 2.9% over the year, the same as it was last month and above the Federal Reserve's target of a 2% annual rate.
• Tariffs have pushed up consumer prices, raising inflation concerns.

A report on inflation this week could serve as a reminder that the Federal Reserve's battle against inflation is far from won despite the central bank's recent rate cut.

Economists expect Friday's report on inflation as measured by Personal Consumption Expenditures to show prices rose 2.7% over the year in August, according to a survey of economists by Dow Jones Newswires and The Wall Street Journal. That would be up from a 2.6% annual increase in July, and the fourth month in a row the key inflation measure has accelerated.

The average forecast calls for "core" PCE inflation, which excludes volatile prices for food and energy, to stay at a 2.9% annual increase after rising the previous three months. Some forecasters are calling for it to tick up to 3%, which would be its highest point since early 2024. The Fed uses core inflation as its benchmark for judging whether inflation is running at its target of a 2% annual rate.

Fed officials have acknowledged that the pandemic-era burst of inflation has stayed stubborn this year. Several have noted President Donald Trump's tariffs have pushed consumer prices for many imported goods.

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What To Expect From Friday's Report On Inflation (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Tuesday OP
The PCE is usually tamer than the CPI - because the PCE is a chained-type index where progree Tuesday #1
Excellent post, fantastic explanation, gab13by13 Tuesday #3
Thanks 😊. Well, I won't say "accurate", but they still could be honest in the sense that the bureaucrats are progree Wednesday #4
Krasnov firing the BLS head in August gab13by13 Tuesday #2

progree

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1. The PCE is usually tamer than the CPI - because the PCE is a chained-type index where
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 11:21 PM
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substitution is fully included. So, for example, if because of high beef prices, people switch to turkey necks and other lower-priced kinds of meat, and just plain eat less meat, this shows up in chained type indexes as a slowing of meat price increases or even a reduction in meat prices. That's why I hate the PCE (known as the "pissy" ) and, instead feature the CPI (the "sippy" ) which has lot less of substitution effects.

I suspect the PCE is the Fed's favorite inflation gauge because it's generally lower than the CPI, and therefore easier to hit the 2% target with it.

Just so people know what's behind all the media bubbly boo about the PCE being the Fed's preferred index.

Another thing to watch out for is the way super-over-emphasis on a 12-month figure (aka "year-over-year", "past year" ), which is full of old data, more than half more than 6 months old. That's fine, for history-loving types.

Also to be noted is that if the latest month-over-month increase is greater than the month-over-month increase from 13 months ago that drops out of the 12-month window, then the 12 month figure increases. Otherwise it decreases. The number leaving the window is just as important as the number entering the window. So when the media bubbly boos about the 12 month figure going up (or down), realize that is all that it boils down to - a comparison of the most recent one-month increase with the one-month increase from 13 months ago.

I prefer to know what recent and current inflation is doing. I prefer the 3 month average for that, annualized (just like they do for GDP).

Here's the rest of the harangue as well as the most recent CPI graphs
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20666711

gab13by13

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3. Excellent post, fantastic explanation,
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 11:27 PM
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so I assume the numbers are still accurate but they can be a bit misleading depending on how one interprets them.

progree

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4. Thanks 😊. Well, I won't say "accurate", but they still could be honest in the sense that the bureaucrats are
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 12:00 AM
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grinding the numbers systematically the same way they always have (or for years and years anyway), so at least they are comparable to previous numbers. Maybe that's kind of an extended definition of honesty, but it's the world we live in

One reason for the quotes around "accurate", aside from statistical sampling error that is always present --

House prices, mortgage costs, cost of home insurance, property taxes, home maintenance and other costs of owning a home are not included in the CPI. Instead they use something called "owners' equivalent rent" -- where they ask the owners what they think they could rent their house for if they moved out. This is a proxy for the foregone rent that homeowners lose by occupying their house.

Specifically on house prices, they consider a house an investment rather than a consumption item. When a house goes up in value and sells for $100k more, the owner gains $100k more, while the buyer pays $100k more, so it's a wash, doncha know? Well, if the former owner now buys an equivalent home, they pay $100k more so they really haven't gained anything in that scenario.

https://www.bls.gov/cpi/factsheets/owners-equivalent-rent-and-rent.htm

As for the PCE, I haven't looked into it, but I think it's much the same re: home ownership costs. Although one thing I read is that shelter has about twice the weighting in the core CPI than in the core PCE.

gab13by13

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2. Krasnov firing the BLS head in August
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 11:22 PM
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and his attempts to fire Powell will make people skeptical of future data, even if it is accurate.

Krasnov wants a weak dollar, cheap money.

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