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Celerity

(53,167 posts)
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 09:05 PM Oct 9

Germany's youngest Master of Wine, Konstantin Baum: $10 vs $500 Wine Taste Test -- Is Expensive Wine a Scam?


Cheap vs. Expensive Wine – what is the difference?

I use this wine key: Forge de Laguiole Ebony

I have used the following glass in this video: Spiegelau Definition Universal Glass

I have tasted the following wines in this Video:

2023 Penfolds Koonunga Hill Shiraz, South Australia

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/penfolds+koonunga+hill+sra+south+australia/2023

2021 Penfolds Bin 128 Shiraz, Coonawarra, Australia

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/penfolds+bin+128+sra+coona+warra+south+australia/2021

2020 Penfolds St. Henri Shiraz, South Australia

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/penfolds+st+henri+sra+south+australia/2020

2001 Penfolds Grange Bin 95, Australia

https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/penfolds+grange+bin+95+australia/2001

The 100 Point Scoring System (from https://www.robertparker.com/):

96-100: An extraordinary wine of profound and complex character displaying all the attributes expected of a classic wine of its variety. Wines of this caliber are worth a special effort to find, purchase and consume.
90 - 95: An outstanding wine of exceptional complexity and character. In short, these are terrific wines.
80 - 89: A barely above average to very good wine displaying various degrees of finesse and flavor as well as character with no noticeable flaws.
70 - 79: An average wine with little distinction except that it is soundly made. In essence, a straightforward, innocuous wine.
60 - 69: A below-average wine containing noticeable deficiencies, such as excessive acidity and/or tannin, an absence of flavor or possibly dirty aromas or flavors.
50 - 59: A wine deemed to be unacceptable.

It is one of the wine world's biggest questions: What is the difference between cheap and expensive wines? It seems ridiculous that the same product – 0.75 Liters of fermented grape juice – can cost anything between 1 Dollar and $558,000 US$ for the most expensive bottle of wine in the world: The 1945 Domaine de la Romanée-Conti. However, there are reasons why there are different prices for essentially the same product, and I want to talk about them today. This is why I prepared an exciting lineup of wines.

These wines are all from the same country, state, grape variety, and producer. They are all currently available on the market, but they sell at very different price points: US$ 10, US$ 50, US$ 100, and US$ 500. As usual, I purchased all of those wines with my own money so that I can review them completely independently – and tell you whether they are worth the money or not. And review them I will as I am tasting them blind to see whether I can tell, just from the smell and taste, which wine costs 10, 50, 100, or 500 US$.

In order to highlight the differences between cheap and expensive wines it is important to reduce the number of other variables.
That is why I wanted wines from the same place, the same grape variety, and the same winery, which is difficult to pull off. Few wineries produce wines at such different price points. You cannot buy a Bourgogne Rouge at Domaine de la Romanée Conti or a cheap Bordeaux at Chateau Lafite.

A handful of producers, however, makes interesting wines for all segments of the market. One of them is Antinori in Italy, another one is Mondavi in the US but I went for a particularly versatile winery: Penfolds. Penfolds is an Australian producer that was founded in 1844 by Dr Christopher and Mary Penfold. Mary was the driving force behind the wineries early success, and she built Penfolds into one of the biggest wine brands in Australia.
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Germany's youngest Master of Wine, Konstantin Baum: $10 vs $500 Wine Taste Test -- Is Expensive Wine a Scam? (Original Post) Celerity Oct 9 OP
Interesting but not that im a big red wine fan dweller Oct 9 #1
I think most dry red wine tastes like Robitussin cough syrup. 3catwoman3 Oct 9 #3
I did prefer the fruity ones dweller Oct 9 #4
You must have had some real dross. A proper red is as far away from cough syrup as one can get. Celerity Oct 10 #6
Short answer yes. Srkdqltr Oct 9 #2
Expensive wines may well be a scam. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 10 #5
You are more than welcome to my share. 3catwoman3 Oct 10 #7
Yes, the genetics of taste. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 11 #8
Thank you for posting this. A really good lesson on wine tasting. Even after being in the biz GoneOffShore Oct 11 #9
Pomerol and Saint-Émilion are 2 of my favourite AOCs. Celerity Oct 11 #10
If you get the chance, try wines from Cahors and Corbieres. GoneOffShore Oct 12 #11

dweller

(27,610 posts)
1. Interesting but not that im a big red wine fan
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 09:39 PM
Oct 9

Did skip through to the individual tasting segments for each one , and to the end blind test … did I learn anything new?
Not really , much as I suspected , an expensive red wine is wasted on me. I enjoy the qualities he describes in the $10 btl

But then the last red I bought more than once was called Pinot Evil , and yes it made me giggle for both the name and the effect on me .


cheers 🍷



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dweller

(27,610 posts)
4. I did prefer the fruity ones
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 10:21 PM
Oct 9

Even followed the Nouveau Beaujolais craze for a bit in the 80-90’s …
Some of them were like purple jesus ( grape juice and grain alcohol )

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Celerity

(53,167 posts)
6. You must have had some real dross. A proper red is as far away from cough syrup as one can get.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:18 AM
Oct 10

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,355 posts)
5. Expensive wines may well be a scam.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 01:13 AM
Oct 10

Many years ago I learned that moderately priced wines can be wonderful.

And those of you who despise red wines, too bad for you. All the more for me.

3catwoman3

(28,218 posts)
7. You are more than welcome to my share.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:29 AM
Oct 10

I am very interested in the genetics of taste. Just as there is genetics involved in the perception of the taste of cilantro, Brussels sprouts and phenolphthalein paper, why might there not be genetics involved in how everything tastes.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,355 posts)
8. Yes, the genetics of taste.
Sat Oct 11, 2025, 10:36 AM
Oct 11

I'm one of those for whom cilantro tastes like soap, and unfortunately here in Santa Fe they're putting more and more cilantro in everything.

And please don't tell me there's only a little cilantro, because even a few soap chips will ruin the dish for me.

GoneOffShore

(17,944 posts)
9. Thank you for posting this. A really good lesson on wine tasting. Even after being in the biz
Sat Oct 11, 2025, 01:39 PM
Oct 11

I learned new things.
My consumption of white wine has dropped because it bumps up my triglycerides. Same with rosé.

I used to drink a lot of Australian wine, but since moving to France, they are difficult to find, usually lower end from the bigger producers, and pricey. However, Konstantin's analysis applies across the board when it comes to differences in quality vs price, especially with the larger producers.

We drink red wine from specific regions now: Cote du Rhone, Luberon, Languedoc, some Burgundy. And usually from small producers.

We were consuming a lot rose wine, but for various reasons, have mostly stopped.
Boxed wine in France varies from 'more than ok' to 'very good' - prices range from €15 to €40 for 5 litres.

GoneOffShore

(17,944 posts)
11. If you get the chance, try wines from Cahors and Corbieres.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:22 AM
Oct 12

Along with Cote du Rhone.

The grenache, syrah, mourvedre blends are often more appealing to me than the Bordeaux blends of merlot, cabernet sauvignon, malbec, et al.

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