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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsAny thoughts on why so many people misuse apostrophes?
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Not here; I have yet to see a post with, say, "the Obama's" in reference to the couple or the family. But, on Fascistbök and other forums, I must've seen thousands of people put apostrophes before the 's' in simple plurals (or "plural's" ).
It's pretty easy to understand someone leaving out a punctuation mark (except for not ending a question with a question mark), but adding punctuation where it doesn't belong? I just can't understand what makes people think "An apostrophe goes there (or "go's;" it isn't limited to plurals).
Update: Since I posted this, I've seen apostrophes used to pluralize twice on DU. Also, ironically, I just noticed I left the apostrophe out of "isn't" in the final sentence. Mea maxima culpa.
CincyDem
(7,288 posts)markodochartaigh
(4,666 posts)unblock
(55,812 posts)Skittles
(168,710 posts)I mean, unless you're referring to something belonging to Cousin It, IT'S means IT IS
unblock
(55,812 posts)Cousin itt's name has a double 't'.
"It's" always means "it is"
Skittles
(168,710 posts)learn something new every day
The Blue Flower
(6,265 posts)They just don't know the rule's.
yellow dahlia
(4,049 posts)yellow dahlia
(4,049 posts)As to your question. They never owned an Elements of Style.
However, I have noticed that texting sometimes auto corrects wrongly and adds apostrophes where they don't belong.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)It was an occupational requirement.
Have you heard of The Elephants of Style? It's a short, humorous stylebook by John McIntyre, a long-time copy chief with the Baltimore Sun. He also wrote Lapsing Into a Comma, which I have. His humor helps you remember stuff.
yellow dahlia
(4,049 posts)I probably use TOO many commas myself. I'm officially old.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)over the years, such as those that precede a quotation that doesn't begin a sentence. Essentially, I use most punctuation when it's needed to make the sentence clear or more clear (which is the reason I get into battles over the Oxford comma).
yellow dahlia
(4,049 posts)Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)When it's necessary for clarity
bif
(26,491 posts)3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)I still have my paperback copy of Elements Of Style, and 2 brilliant books by the late Edwin Newman - Strictly Speaking and A Civil Tongue.
LogDog75
(988 posts)I first heard of it when I took an English writing course through a local college while in the AF. It helped me immensely when it came time for me to write performance reports, review performance reports, decorations, and awards at the squadron and group level.
Blues Heron
(8,067 posts)JoseBalow
(8,957 posts)Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)...Kid's Dental. I often go by it when out walking for exercise because it is so close by. So far, I have resisted the temptation to stop in and snarkily ask them if they only have one patient. Obviously, neither the owner of the practice nor the sign company they hired knew it should be Kids'.
And pretty much every mailbox that has a family's last name on it does it wrong - The Brown's, The Smith's, The McGregor's, The Rialdi's, etc. Almost nobody seems knows how to make a plural possessive when the word already ends in an 's'.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)"Uh... which kid?"
We don't see many mailboxes with names hereabouts, but there're a few welcome mats with the same thing. Also, I don't think it's grammatically incorrect, but names on mats or in text like "The Williamses" make my teeth itch. I'd spell that "The Williams'." Maybe I'm wrong, but it just looks... well, it makes me want to repeat the "-es" half a dozen times, kinda like Daffy Duck.
There's a fishing tackle shop around the corner from us with a neon sign in one window that reads "Fishing license's."
3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)I've even heard Rachel Maddow do this!
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)tongue-in-cheek, as she does with several othher wordthings.
3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)ever getting the feeling that she was being snarky.
DBoon
(24,530 posts)and generalize it to thinking any word that ends in an "s" should have an apostrophe before the "s"
Asparagu's for dinner?
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)You know what asparagu's doe's to your pis's.
buzzycrumbhunger
(1,483 posts)
and Im sad to say that this ignorance even includes writersthough I think its a stretch to call everyone with a book that. Self-pub has really decimated the book world because ANYone can publish a book, and many people think they can have ignorant family and friends read their masterpiece, declare it a wonder, and off they go to Amazon to have it foisted off on an unsuspecting public without paying a proper editor to proofread and make corrections, full of wrong homonyms (but spellcheck says its spelled right!), tenses that jump from past to present in the same sentence, ditto genders, characters, names, places, and OMFG, the punctuation drives me up the wall! Its depressing.
The most common mistake I cant believe I have to keep bitching about is that no one seems to grasp that you wrack your brain. Theyre all putting them on shelves, apparently. Virtually everything that would have made my fifth-grade English teacher pull his hair out is happening out there. Seriously, being able to bypass a publishing house has done readers no favours.
Sadly, I read so much and cant afford to be picky, so I subscribe to a couple book lists every day and take my chances on freebies. The biggest thing its taught me is that Im not obligated to finish every book I start if ignorance is out of control. Once, I would have been uncomfortable bailing on something Id started but I no longer feel obliged to finish a book that has me making notes (I use Goodreads) to bitch about something every other page. *sigh*
3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)Here's another, altho slightly off topic. It took me the longest damn time to figure out what "walah/wallah" meant. I was seeing this word, if you can call it that, in a number of on-line posts, and it always had me scratching my head in total puzzlement.
It finally dawned on me that people who didn't know any better thought they were saying voila.
biophile
(1,048 posts)My French is very poor, but I do know how to pronounce voila and hearing wallah really grates on my ears.
3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)And they make a lot of money from the people you describe.
All you need is a computer, a printer with a lot of on-board memory and a "full service" print shop, like Kinko's (I dunno if they do binding, though). Oh, and spell check and grammar check.
Voila! (Or ""wala," as I've seen it spelled many times.) You're a published authorl!
Doodley
(11,547 posts)3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)...so tightly I'm afraid I'll crack one - making a possessive out of the first person "I."
More and more I see this kind of construct - John and I's vacation, or Mary and I's car, or Mike and I's dog.
No, no, a thousand times nooooooooooo!!!!
fargone
(512 posts)I'se The B'y that builds the boat and
I'se The B'y that sails her and
I'se The B'y that catches the fish and
Brings 'em home to Liza
womanofthehills
(10,634 posts)Ill realize I didnt put a comma after a phrase and rather than go back and put it in - I just say F it. I think same with apostrophes - its just punctuation laziness-
The more I post, the lazier I get with punctuation In fact, today I saw a name I posted that needed an apostrophe- but I didnt correct it. Also, have a bad habit of using fewer periods & just keep using dashes.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)You've got limited space, you're usually in a hurry because it feels like an oral conversation, and you're using only your thumbs on small keys. Plus, where you've got young people, you've got slang -- in this case, shortened words to accommodate the aforementioned.
Also (this'll sound curmudgeonly, but I stand by it), texts and other social media are most of what young people read anymore. So, they learn the mechanics of the written language partly from what they do read, and partly from what they hear. You can't learn spelling, grammar or punctuation from listening to other people talk. All you can learn is pronunciation, and that'll vary depending on whom you're listening to.
UTUSN
(76,374 posts)What bothers me is the not-needed-' for years/numbers, as in: (for 1970s) supposed to be '70s, not 70's.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)70s for age.
But, yeah -- numbers get pretty abused in text. The general rule is spell out one through nine, but write 10 and up numerically. But there're exceptions to that, such as age, which usalways numeric ("He's 6 years old"
.
Also, when did it become acceptable to omit the comma from numeric numbers of four figures or more, like "5000" instead of "5,000"?
And since I'm on this roll, you do 't need to wtite "dollars" after usin a dollar sign -- which goes first, as in "$50,000." And, with one million and up, it's "$1 million" because nobody wants to count all those zeroes, especially without commas separating each block of thousands ($10,000,000,000).
CrispyQ
(40,461 posts)Readers pick up a ton of grammar, spelling, & just how language works & flows, better than nonreaders.
stopdiggin
(14,753 posts)and there are legions in both categories ...
With another contingent moving up fast on the outside - whose honest opinion is - "DOESN'T MATTER!" ( and, "get over it!" )
JoseBalow
(8,957 posts)Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)A lame excuse that's never used in mathematics.
Silent Type
(12,061 posts)Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)fierywoman
(8,481 posts)Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)Beautiful instrument, btw.
LogDog75
(988 posts)This one sometimes makes me pause.
It's is a contraction meaning "It is."
Its is possessive as in "Its mine."
Too many time I've seen people misuse them.
3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)
and I was laughing so hard I was crying from this one - a claim that someone had seen a sign at a yard sale describing a fastening device as rat shit straps instead of ratchet.
Its been at least half an hour, and Im still laughing.🤣
Prairie_Seagull
(4,557 posts)Chipper Chat
(10,694 posts)WestMichRad
(2,816 posts)The crux of the biscuit
is the apostrophe.
-Frank Zappa
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Intractable
(1,411 posts)For example, what possesses (pun intended) people to write 1980's, when referring to that decade. It's 1980s.
area51
(12,533 posts)
3catwoman3
(28,203 posts)...and could totally relate.
Raven123
(7,338 posts)bucolic_frolic
(53,336 posts)It is .... it's.
markodochartaigh
(4,666 posts)is when there isn't even internal consistency in a sentence. "We have mangoes, orange's, sapodilla's, limes, and banana's for sale at the farmstand today."
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)Makes me want to ask them, "Why these and not those?" But, I doubt they know because there's no sense, no logic to it.
Figarosmom
(9,139 posts)Because it requires 2 taps instead of one to add the apostrophe. Note don't above.(auto correct will do it in the body but not the title line)
OldBaldy1701E
(9,580 posts)At the time, most of them had a 'count' of 435 characters, which includes spaces and punctuation. IN order to fit more into that defined space, one had to start dropping the punctuation in order to get all the words in. Now, this was fine for that application, but what it did was create a complacency in people when it came to proper punctuation because people started using the same methodology for writing in the real world.
I feel that some of them now cannot figure out how to write correctly anymore because of this. It is also humorous to read about the job applicants who cannot spell or write worth a plugged nickel and yet they cannot understand why they are not getting the jobs.
Oeditpus Rex
(43,094 posts)this is about adding punctuation where it isn't necessary, i.e. to pluralize a noun.
OldBaldy1701E
(9,580 posts)They don't know how to use it. Mainly because they usually don't.
Rebl2
(17,234 posts)not paying attention in grade school maybe?