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electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 07:05 PM Aug 30

For our Northern DU'rs: Who Hates the Days getting Shorter?

Yes, I do remember the threads about permanent daylight Savings Time, and kids going to school in the dark etc.

But I hate it, as I watch at 6:59PM the sky getting dimmer out my window. I love the sun setting at 8:30ish here in NYC at the height! 8PM is great, too!
I'd even settle for 7:30 PM, which it's close to now. Or even 7:00PM; compared to the 4:30PMish at it's shortest, and 5PM. 😬😑😞
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Very funny though how associations can affect a person's perceptions .
For me lots of trees fully of middle green colored leaves (vs the lighter, also pretty Spring green), and flowers of certain kinds (like, not tulips, or daffodils) that arrive as later Spring, and Summer blossums ='s late sunsets!

imagine my relative shock when visiting Puerto Rico with all it's green lushness only to have the sun set around 5PM - 5:30PM! I was upset!
I was so expecting to luxurate uinder the palm trees, and long evening light. Ahh, we'll. It still was a wonderful vacation in '07.

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For our Northern DU'rs: Who Hates the Days getting Shorter? (Original Post) electric_blue68 Aug 30 OP
Not me! choie Aug 30 #1
Hi neighbor! electric_blue68 Aug 30 #4
Howdy! choie Aug 30 #22
Darkness is your friend? (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Aug 30 #14
Yes, I've come to talk with you again choie Aug 30 #21
Me dflprincess Aug 30 #2
Took me a sec, but your higher lattitude would make your sun set even later then ours. electric_blue68 Aug 30 #5
I kind of like it. It makes evenings seem normal. Ocelot II Aug 30 #3
I understand that. 👍 electric_blue68 Aug 30 #6
maybe we could get longer days in the cooler seasons nt msongs Aug 30 #7
Interesting... electric_blue68 Aug 30 #9
For us, it means the declining threat of hurricanes. surfered Aug 30 #8
THAT makes perfect sense! electric_blue68 Aug 30 #10
Sunset at 8:10 in S.E.Michigan JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 30 #11
Interesting, didn't notice about the twilight in Puerto Rico electric_blue68 Aug 31 #33
That Western end of a Time Zone Location.... electric_blue68 Aug 31 #38
You should visit the western end of the central time zone...LOL LeftInTX Sep 1 #49
I went to look. Wow the Central TZ is really wide down at the western end of TX! electric_blue68 Sep 1 #50
Louisville is on the very western edge of the Eastern Time Zone and during Daylight Savings Time yellowdogintexas Sep 6 #63
There is almost no twilight at the equator! LeftInTX Sep 1 #48
Oh, no! From now till New Years is my time of year. Walks in cool air, autumn leaves, Halloween... Scrivener7 Aug 30 #12
Well, you enjoy it!.... electric_blue68 Aug 30 #13
I love Fall and Winter. Aristus Aug 30 #15
Enjoy, and stay safe & cozy! electric_blue68 Aug 30 #16
I used to live there. Sequoia Aug 31 #25
Oooo, 17 hrs! I think about 15hrs is our max electric_blue68 Aug 31 #35
I do, it's the annual passage of time, and soon time for the birds to all start flying south. Won't be long before SWBTATTReg Aug 30 #17
Enjoy your green market... you just reminded me... electric_blue68 Aug 31 #36
Thanks! That's the one thing I never realized when I moved to the area, that I would see these SWBTATTReg Sep 1 #39
Wow! And the monarchs! electric_blue68 Sep 5 #57
Yes, sadly. I noticed that their numbers were dropping one year, by accident, I just happened to notice that their SWBTATTReg Sep 6 #58
Woah, that IS sad... electric_blue68 Sep 6 #60
Nice! I guess the nicest thing or neatest thing I saw in my backyard here in the city (STLMO, and we're about a mile or SWBTATTReg Sep 6 #61
Ahh, very Magical! electric_blue68 Sep 6 #62
Another DUer kindly provided a link/map of the routes birds follow...neat! SWBTATTReg Sep 6 #59
My 'she-shed' out back holds 8 telescopes - so yeah, I love longer nights! Talitha Aug 30 #18
Ooo, 8 telescopes! Very cool! Makes sense for you. electric_blue68 Aug 30 #19
Basically most everything out there. Talitha Aug 30 #20
A lot of of amazing beauty out there. electric_blue68 Aug 30 #23
I'm with you True Dough Aug 31 #24
Not I Delphinus Aug 31 #26
Days are getting longer. In a few million years they will be 25 hours long! GreenWave Aug 31 #27
It is what it is. Certainly like the cooler weather that accompanies fall... Wounded Bear Aug 31 #28
I always feel a sense of dread when the stores start putting out the mums.... Sogo Aug 31 #29
I hate the heat and the long sunlight so I am so happy rurallib Aug 31 #30
I just want the mosquitoes to go away. milestogo Aug 31 #31
I love it Easterncedar Aug 31 #32
I love it. Bright light -- especially bright sunlight -- hurts my eyes and can trigger a migraine catbyte Aug 31 #34
Oh, ugh, I'm l sorry to hear that! .... electric_blue68 Aug 31 #37
I don't mind shorter days Marthe48 Sep 1 #40
Well, you sure have reason to prefer it! Sorry about your.... electric_blue68 Sep 1 #41
Thank you for understanding Marthe48 Sep 1 #42
The day is okay, and the Sun can be fun... Harker Sep 1 #43
You enjoy the evening dusk and nighttime electric_blue68 Sep 1 #44
Very much. Harker Sep 1 #45
Oh, that's wild. 👍 electric_blue68 Sep 1 #46
... Harker Sep 1 #47
Seattle is getting dark earlier pfitz59 Sep 1 #51
I see...blurry image but cross hairs are after 7PM electric_blue68 Sep 1 #52
Lived in HI Woodwizard Sep 1 #53
With a like Woodwizard you probably would, unless you were a wood turner instead electric_blue68 Sep 1 #54
Washingtonian Here Metaphorical Sep 1 #55
I tend to be an afternoon person to nightowl myself, but I electric_blue68 Sep 2 #56

Ocelot II

(127,157 posts)
3. I kind of like it. It makes evenings seem normal.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 07:11 PM
Aug 30

It gets kind of old by December but I tend to like the nighttime vibe.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
9. Interesting...
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 07:22 PM
Aug 30

Well, I don't really like above 90°F-ish.
And no high humidity!

I like dry very high 70's - low 80's the best for outside. And that's when I love being out later in the light. 🥰

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,341 posts)
11. Sunset at 8:10 in S.E.Michigan
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 07:53 PM
Aug 30

It's nice being in the western end of a time zone.

I understand about the sunset in P.R. I noticed the early sunsets in Jamaica. And, it seemed there was very little twilight. The sun set, and in what seemed like a few minutes, it was dark.

Now we have to get ready to switch to standard time. Or not. Donald will make that decision in about two weeks from when he's asked the question.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
38. That Western end of a Time Zone Location....
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 11:44 PM
Aug 31

While not at the closest end of a TZ, decades ago when I was visiting GA - Athens, Decatur for ?5-6 days in the summer I realized that the sun was setting about a half hour later then it would be in NYC.

LeftInTX

(33,866 posts)
49. You should visit the western end of the central time zone...LOL
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 09:00 PM
Sep 1

I'm sure the eastern end in Florida also has it's gripes too! It's such a huge time zone.

yellowdogintexas

(23,472 posts)
63. Louisville is on the very western edge of the Eastern Time Zone and during Daylight Savings Time
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 07:25 PM
Sep 6

it stays light out until around 9:30. The time zone line cuts Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee in half. Some years ago, Indiana allowed each county to choose if they wanted to change time in the spring. You could drive from Louisville to Evansville IN and jump from Eastern Daylight to Eastern Standard to Central Daylight to Central Standard. I have actually left one county and gone to the next one and jumped 3 zones. Finally Indiana woke up and decreed Daylight savings for the whole state

And yes the Central Time Zone is HUGE. All of Texas is in the Central TS except El Paso county.

LeftInTX

(33,866 posts)
48. There is almost no twilight at the equator!
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 08:37 PM
Sep 1

Last edited Mon Sep 1, 2025, 09:18 PM - Edit history (2)

And in the arctic it lasts a long time and at the polls it will last several weeks! a month.

Nautical twilight began on Aug 22



https://gml.noaa.gov/obop/spo/livecamera.html


I'm glad I hunted this down. It's really cool that the sun happens to be directly in front of the camera. It rarely is. It will take 3 weeks to rise fully!

Here is the sun fully risen on the first day of southern spring 2024



You can watch time-lapse archives here. But boy that winter moon looks like a sun. Lots of auroras too.


Scrivener7

(57,134 posts)
12. Oh, no! From now till New Years is my time of year. Walks in cool air, autumn leaves, Halloween...
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 08:03 PM
Aug 30

I start getting happy this time of year!

Heat saps me and everything feels sluggy.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
13. Well, you enjoy it!....
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 08:09 PM
Aug 30

I still love the warmth of the 70's, no fan of 90's,! And like the relative warmth of the 60's. When you can be comfortable in a light-medium sweater, or jacket.

Aristus

(70,852 posts)
15. I love Fall and Winter.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 08:42 PM
Aug 30

I love cold, drizzly, gray days, and cold, dark nights. I love coming home from work and changing into, not a tee-shirt and shorts, but a bathrobe, pajamas, and hand-knit socks.

I love curling up in a warm house with some hot chocolate or a hot toddy, listening to the wind blowing outside, while all is warmth and comfort inside.

I live in the Pacific Northwest, and these days will be here in just about a month. Can’t wait.

SWBTATTReg

(25,687 posts)
17. I do, it's the annual passage of time, and soon time for the birds to all start flying south. Won't be long before
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 09:29 PM
Aug 30

I'll be able to hear (despite my hard of hearing) all of the birds flying south, by the thousands over the Mississippi River valley. A rite that occurs every year and one that I always welcome. I do miss harvesting no crops at this time of year, but I've cut back on planting a garden over the last 5 or so years. But I do have the Farmer's Market in Soulard (STL CIty, MO), so we'll see tons of different crops, squashes, pumpkins, and so forth so I'll still see the fruits of summer.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
36. Enjoy your green market... you just reminded me...
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 08:25 PM
Aug 31

I haven't seen in decades... a flying V... probably of geese.

SWBTATTReg

(25,687 posts)
39. Thanks! That's the one thing I never realized when I moved to the area, that I would see these
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 02:35 PM
Sep 1

migrating flocks of birds by the millions, it seems, and it neat seeing it, and hearing it too. Often times, you won't know they are there, until you hear them by the thousands flying over. A neat thing indeed to see, multiple times a year, going south, and then returning. The Monarch butterflies too, but they're not as common, especially over the last few years.

SWBTATTReg

(25,687 posts)
58. Yes, sadly. I noticed that their numbers were dropping one year, by accident, I just happened to notice that their
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 03:21 PM
Sep 6

numbers were lower in recent years vs. further back in time. I literally could see dozens of butterflies in my backyard, and now, if I even see five or less, it's major. That's one of the saddest things for me to witness in my lifetime. It really just guts me.

Maybe, just maybe they're changing their migration path? A hopeful thought, but I suspect not.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
60. Woah, that IS sad...
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 04:49 PM
Sep 6

I never saw that many at one time in the big park I used to live near, but we had a lot of all manner of different ones. It was lovely!
I learned to identity the one's I didn't know after I got a pamphlet from the Bronx Zoo from their seasonal Spring/Summer butterfly house.

My unique experience would be sitting on our family apt's fire escape (first floor) where our building was partly built upon an ?9 story high steep hill, and we faced over the streets and buildings below ! It was a 180° view of the sky! As a lover of cloud shapes this was heavenly!
There was a big cantalevered balcony jutting out where the tree tops would be in front, and around the sides past the fence of it.

I'd be relaxing there, and all of a sudden a Monarch would fly about 3 - 4 ft away above, and straight past me going southward! It would be funny bc there was no garden of flowers near by, so where was it going? If it had been flying northward, that would have made sense bc that big park was only about half a mile or less away.
I called them the "strong fliers". 🩷

So even we in "the Big City" have Nature mysteries, and experiences! 🙂

Oh, and one Spring I watched a pair of crows building a nest in a tree on the hill just south of where our balcony ended. They'd fly by with branches! The trees were not fully leafed out so you could see the nest. 👍🩷

SWBTATTReg

(25,687 posts)
61. Nice! I guess the nicest thing or neatest thing I saw in my backyard here in the city (STLMO, and we're about a mile or
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 06:09 PM
Sep 6

so from the Mississippi River, so a fair distance, up the bluff up to the city (west side of the river) was that I came outside once, and saw like 20 or 30 Monarch butterflies all at once, and there were more floating through my back yard, in the alleyway, all flying slowly through. What a sight. I'll never forget that.

Take care!

SWBTATTReg

(25,687 posts)
59. Another DUer kindly provided a link/map of the routes birds follow...neat!
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 04:02 PM
Sep 6

AllaN01Bear (27,291 posts)
Sat Sep 6, 2025, 08:41 AM
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live bird migration maps . cool
https://birdcast.info/migration-tools/live-migration-maps/

Talitha

(7,589 posts)
18. My 'she-shed' out back holds 8 telescopes - so yeah, I love longer nights!
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 09:31 PM
Aug 30

In my northern WI winter, I can get a nice long observing session done by 7pm or 8pm, but in the summertime the horizon is still baby blue till almost 11pm.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
19. Ooo, 8 telescopes! Very cool! Makes sense for you.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 09:54 PM
Aug 30

What are a few of your favorite viewings?

Talitha

(7,589 posts)
20. Basically most everything out there.
Sat Aug 30, 2025, 10:28 PM
Aug 30

There's comets, supernovas, nebulas, galaxies, open star clusters, globular star clusters and double stars. So much bling, so little time!
The Moon and Jupiter are alive, changing their view within hours due to light angle and rotation.
Saturn's beautiful rings are absolutely stunning when wide open - when seen edge-on though, they seem to completely disappear and allow us to see more of the planet itself.
Pluto is but a faint speck - but at least I can say I've seen it several times.
Yeah, I'm a nerd.

True Dough

(24,388 posts)
24. I'm with you
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 04:03 AM
Aug 31

Shorter days are a bummer. Maybe an hour of daylight shaved off the evenings since summer solstice. And that trend continues until Dec. 21st or so. Booooo!!!

It's worse for my wife, though. She copes with seasonal affective disorder (SAD). She uses a SAD light to help her endure dark winter days.

But, if I'm being honest, I won't miss the extreme heat.

Wounded Bear

(62,956 posts)
28. It is what it is. Certainly like the cooler weather that accompanies fall...
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 04:17 PM
Aug 31

Not a fan of snow, but can take it as long as it stays in the mountains where it belongs.

Easterncedar

(4,908 posts)
32. I love it
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 06:03 PM
Aug 31

Shorter days mean fewer hours of chores for this retiree, and I love the change of light as the leaves begin to turn and cooler weather begins to edge our way.

catbyte

(37,786 posts)
34. I love it. Bright light -- especially bright sunlight -- hurts my eyes and can trigger a migraine
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 08:17 PM
Aug 31

if I'm out in it too long or near a curtainless window. I've always been that way.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
37. Oh, ugh, I'm l sorry to hear that! ....
Sun Aug 31, 2025, 11:13 PM
Aug 31

I have had only (🤞 ) one migraine in my life triggered by a particular part of an eye exam by a different eye doctor my dad drove us to.

By the time we got home I had the full blown version.
I'm 72 now, I was 15, or 16 then. So 57, or 56 years ago, and I still remember how nasty it was, with the right prompt.

So I absolutely empathize with your caution!

Marthe48

(21,785 posts)
40. I don't mind shorter days
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 03:29 PM
Sep 1

The inconsiderate people on the street don't usually run their illegal, loud vehicles after dark. Some days, I wouldn't mind if it were dark and rainy from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Luckily, the earphones I bought mask most of the noise.

Aside from the joy riders, the person across the street either leaves for work in a loud truck or on a loud motorcycle, so no matter how long I'd like to sleep, i am awakened when they leave for work at 7:20 a.m. by their noise M-F. I can hear it over the fan in my room.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
41. Well, you sure have reason to prefer it! Sorry about your....
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 05:46 PM
Sep 1

neighbor's "alarm clock". 🛻 🏍

Too much dark and rainy would depress me!

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
52. I see...blurry image but cross hairs are after 7PM
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 10:26 PM
Sep 1

have to post image brb👍
[url=https://postimg.cc/XrgVtmQB][img][/img][/url]

This covers the whole year left to right
Jan- Dec

Woodwizard

(1,207 posts)
53. Lived in HI
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 10:37 PM
Sep 1

I lived in HI for 5 years it was around s half hour difference from sunset time though the year.

Been living in the Catskills for the last 37 Years I enjoy the seasonal change. Love it here a hike in silent woods in winter on a clear day is magical.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
54. With a like Woodwizard you probably would, unless you were a wood turner instead
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 10:45 PM
Sep 1

Too cold for me!
I can see the appeal, though. 👍

Metaphorical

(2,520 posts)
55. Washingtonian Here
Mon Sep 1, 2025, 11:39 PM
Sep 1

I've been revelling in it. I'm naturally something of a night owl, and find that long days of summer always leave me feeling exhausted. Almost into September, the weather is cooler (no more 90 degree days), the folliage is changing (not as noticeable here, but still spectacular), and the rains are finally coming back.

electric_blue68

(23,845 posts)
56. I tend to be an afternoon person to nightowl myself, but I
Tue Sep 2, 2025, 01:13 AM
Sep 2

love the long days just the same.

Trees turning already? That'd would make me sad! I'm thinking nyc is at a some what lower lattitude.
You enjoy!

Believe me I'm not too fond of 90+° either. Though a dry low humidity day of 90°F outside I can handle ok as long as there's A/C inside, especially at night

OK, looked at a map. Seattle seems to be in line with upper Vermont and New Hampshire.
So yes a fair amount north of NYC!

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