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Thu Sep 18, 2025, 05:49 PM Yesterday

Pam Bondi Needs a Free Speech Tutorial - WSJ Editorial

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Discussing Kirk’s work on college campuses, Ms. Bondi mentioned the “disgusting” antisemitism on display at many universities, and so far so good. But wait. “There’s free speech and then there’s hate speech, and there is no place—especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society,” the country’s top law enforcer told a podcast. “We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech.”

Kirk would want a word. “My position is that even hate speech should be completely and totally allowed in our country. The most disgusting speech should absolutely be protected,” he once told a crowd. “The ACLU used to hold this viewpoint. The American Civil Liberties Union, they sued so that legitimate Nazis could march through downtown Skokie.” Why? “As soon as you use the word ‘hate,’ that is a very subjective term,” Kirk said, in a video posted by his group in 2020. “Then all of a sudden it is in the eyes, or it is in the implementation, of whomever has the power.”

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Free speech isn’t absolute in the U.S., but the exceptions are narrow, and “hate speech” isn’t one of them. The Supreme Court held in a famous 1969 case, Brandenburg v. Ohio, that the government can punish speech as incitement only if it’s directed toward, and likely to produce, “imminent lawless action.” General expressions of hate on the internet are despicable, but they aren’t cause for prosecution.

Ms. Bondi tried Tuesday morning to clean up her mess, writing on social media: “Hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is NOT protected by the First Amendment.” But then she incoherently mixed in everything from “violent rhetoric,” to doxxing, to calling a SWAT team to the home of a Member of Congress. The AG also didn’t recant her statement on Monday that the Justice Department might “prosecute” Office Depot or its ex-employee who refused to print a Kirk vigil poster.

Ms. Bondi hasn’t had a distinguished tenure as AG, as she too often seems to follow the latest social-media, cable-TV mood swing. But she is a law enforcer, not a social-media anger management coach, and she’s sworn to uphold the Constitution. Maybe Ms. Bondi should quit appearing on podcasts about Charlie Kirk until she listens to some Charlie Kirk podcasts

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/pam-bondi-free-speech-hate-speech-charlie-kirk-first-amendment-a4f09203?st=u6mYKB&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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Pam Bondi Needs a Free Speech Tutorial - WSJ Editorial (Original Post) question everything Yesterday OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Yesterday #1
imagine the headline Skittles Yesterday #2
Would January 6th incitement qualify as hate speech? Uncle Joe 21 hrs ago #3
Am I going mad or is the Whore Street Urinal calling Pam Bondi out? Aristus 8 hrs ago #4

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Uncle Joe

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3. Would January 6th incitement qualify as hate speech?
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 09:52 PM
21 hrs ago

"Free speech isn’t absolute in the U.S., but the exceptions are narrow, and “hate speech” isn’t one of them. The Supreme Court held in a famous 1969 case, Brandenburg v. Ohio, that the government can punish speech as incitement only if it’s directed toward, and likely to produce, “imminent lawless action.” General expressions of hate on the internet are despicable, but they aren’t cause for prosecution."

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Aristus

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4. Am I going mad or is the Whore Street Urinal calling Pam Bondi out?
Fri Sep 19, 2025, 11:18 AM
8 hrs ago

You think they would be goosestepping and Sieg-Heil-ing in agreement.

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