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BootinUp

(50,406 posts)
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 08:52 PM Aug 6

About That Stock Market - Policy has gone mad; why aren't stocks down? Paul Krugman

excerpt:

First, the long version of Samuelson’s quip: Stocks are not now and have never been useful predictors of the business cycle. Even when there were good reasons to be worried about a coming downturn, it’s very hard to find cases in which the stock market gave advance warning.

The way I see it, during any given period the market is driven by a narrative, positive or negative. The current narrative is strongly driven by optimism about AI. And it takes a major shock to change a market narrative. Nothing in history suggests that we should expect a really strong stock market reaction to the kinds of warnings we’re getting so far about Trumponomics.

Speaking of which: While Trump’s tariffs are very bad, there is — as I wrote in Sunday’s primer — a tendency, among both economists and other observers, to exaggerate the damage done by protectionism. Uncertainty about tariffs is definitely depressing business spending in the short run, but in that primer I estimated that Smoot-Hawley 2.0 will reduce long-run U.S. real GDP by 0.4 percent. The Yale Budget Lab, with a more elaborate model, comes up with very similar numbers:

link to full article
https://open.substack.com/pub/paulkrugman/p/about-that-stock-market

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applegrove

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1. Stocks in the US were overvalued because there is
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:39 PM
Aug 6

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so much wealth chasing so few wealth growth opportunities. Private equity has gone into real estate looking for profits. The rich around the world are desperate for places to invest. So the stock market doesn't go down because of that. Low stock prices are an opportunity to invest not a warning as they used to be. Plus the very rich just got more tax cuts. They have to put their money somewhere.

BootinUp

(50,406 posts)
2. if you have certain authors
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 09:45 PM
Aug 6

or articles you recommend on the subject I will gladly take a look.

BootinUp

(50,406 posts)
4. Cool. But it's also worth
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 10:26 PM
Aug 6

Considering the analysis of someone who does the hard research like Krugman.

applegrove

(128,216 posts)
5. I was only replying to Krugman. I'm not worthy of him but I've watched
Wed Aug 6, 2025, 10:50 PM
Aug 6

the rich getting richer and increasing numbers of private equity and hedge funds taking otherwise stock exchanged companies private, an it has been on my mind that there are fewer places to invest and more money looking for a place to grow and invest in (with the eception of crypto which is growing like crazy). So I added my two cents.

I'm not say investment in AI is not a factor. Quite the opposite: it is an example of how the rich are in a separate economy than the poor if the stock market is rising while the job and inflation markets are getting bad.

LymphocyteLover

(8,753 posts)
8. yes, good point. Plus millions of retirement funds get money every month to put into mutual funds
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 08:25 AM
Aug 7

CrispyQ

(40,236 posts)
10. You wrote: The rich around the world are desperate for places to invest.
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 09:20 AM
Aug 9

The best thing they could invest in now, would be people! That's where the next new idea/technology/invention is going to come from, not buying all the property on the planet & turning into slum lords. There is a real reluctance, at all levels, to invest in people. I saw it at almost every company I worked at, despite company mottos that tout our employees are special.

applegrove

(128,216 posts)
11. In the later 80s, early 90s the MBA schools started to
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 04:43 PM
Aug 9

teach that your competitors are not just the other companies you compete with but the employees, government, stakeholders and everything else except for shareholders. Attack, attack, attack! And here we are 35 years later.

LymphocyteLover

(8,753 posts)
7. I keep wondering this every damn day and can only conclude that the stock market is dumb
Thu Aug 7, 2025, 08:13 AM
Aug 7

not my first time thinking this either

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