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sop

(15,237 posts)
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:29 PM Jul 8

'JD Vance: Some Americans Are More American Than Others'

"JD Vance was in San Diego...he was there to give a keynote address at a dinner hosted by the Claremont Institute, the southern California nonprofit that’s earned a reputation as a “nerve center” for MAGA thought...At the core of Claremont thinking is immigration. The think tank pushed for an end to birthright citizenship long before that objective entered the mainstream of the GOP; it claimed ownership over Vance’s thinking on the topic after Trump chose him as his running mate last year."

"During the 2024 Republican National Convention, Vance tried to sand down the idea of what it means to be an American citizen to a more European level: the country belongs more to those who share its 'common history,' he said, not just those who ascribe to its values. He put Claremont’s intellectual approach to nativism into action last year, stoking racial tensions over Haitian immigration to Springfield, Ohio."

"On Saturday, Vance took up the theme again. But this time, he had more to point to than theoretical arguments or viral campaign moments. The second Trump administration is pumping huge amounts of cash into the country’s detention and removal infrastructure for immigrants; it’s moved to end birthright citizenship; it’s staged high-profile civil liberties abuses with various efforts to remove people quickly and scare off others from coming; it is contemplating denaturalizations. Its radical actions do not undercut the fact that there was also a strong messaging component to Vance’s Saturday remarks: the administration wants to talk about immigration to the exclusion of nearly everything else."

"What Vance expressed to the friendly Claremont audience was a dramatically reduced vision of American citizenship. It’s one in which having ancestors who have lived here for generations entitles you to more; a vision of citizenship that’s long existed around the world, with a notable and aspirational exception in the United States."

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jd-vance-some-americans-are-more-american-than-others

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underpants

(191,549 posts)
4. You beat me to it.
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:43 PM
Jul 8

In Animal Farm, the pigs, who initially champion the principle of equality, eventually rewrite the original commandment "All animals are equal" to "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".

lapfog_1

(31,127 posts)
7. It's one in which having ancestors who have lived here for generations entitles you to more
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:49 PM
Jul 8

OK...

Let's see now... 3 out of 8 of my great grandparents were Native American. 2 were from the Cherokee Nation of southern Georgia before they were "relocated" on the trail of tears to OK - where the "sooners" stole that land from them. One was from the Northwest of the USA ( or perhaps Canada ) as he was a Blackfoot. My mother looked Native American... or Italian... or even Hispanic.

So... some of my ancestry goes back thousands of years on this continent. But then there is the Dutch and Irish and English part that go back maybe 200 years or less.

Anyway... let's do it... forget all property ownership... take all the land, buildings, streets, parks, rivers, lakes... and assign a weight based strictly on how long all of your ancestors have been within the 50 states. divvy it all up... I'll take my few thousand acres and homes buildings etc NOW please. Get the fuck out of my country and off my land. I want my cousin, who lives on a reservation... and her husband... to have many square miles of property...

Lets see how the landed gentry like that proposal.

sop

(15,237 posts)
13. "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jul 8

A lot of people JD doesn't consider "real" Americans were here centuries before his hillbilly ancestors showed up.

FirstLight

(15,508 posts)
17. Ding!
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 08:00 PM
Jul 8

My Great great (x4?) grandfather eas a native who fought with the Revolution forces to help win freedom...each one was "given" acres of land as a reward.
Two generations later, they took it back and kicked my great (x2?) grandfather down the Trail of Tears (indian givers 😒 )... If he hadn't survived, I wouldn't be here.

So yeah, I want my ancestral land back!

Norrrm

(2,433 posts)
12. Does that include your Indian heritage wife and your half Indian heritage children?
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 05:59 PM
Jul 8
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jd-vance-faces-backlash-for-referring-to-his-children-as-his-wifes-kids-in-new-interview/ar-AA1skeuV?ocid=BingNewsSerp

JD Vance faces backlash for referring to his children as 'his wife's kids' in new interview

When Trump says his disgusting comments about immigrants 'poisoning the blood of our country', does he mean Vance's family?

FakeNoose

(37,933 posts)
22. That would also include 4 out of 5 of Chump's kids
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 12:54 PM
Jul 12

Am I right? Chump's first and third wives were both immigrants, and the legitimacy of Melania's original Einstein-visa has been called into question.

PikaBlue

(361 posts)
14. Has he shared this philosophy with
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:32 PM
Jul 8

his wife and children? What an insult to those who have the misfortune of loving him!

DavidDvorkin

(20,259 posts)
15. He has a point
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 06:35 PM
Jul 8

I'm a first-generation American citizen, and I'm much more American than he is.

slightlv

(6,137 posts)
18. having ancestors who have lived here for generations entitles you to more
Tue Jul 8, 2025, 10:58 PM
Jul 8

Okay, then deport everyone not of Native American heritage or Mexican American heritage. These were the two groups who have been part of the land for generations before anyone else... especially the guy who got lost trying to find America!

By Vance's idea, kick out the president and all his cabinet (including himself). We should have a Native American President or a Mexican-American president. The rest of the cabinet should also be filled thus-wise. My gods, if we did that, we might actually have a decent functioning country again!

Hekate

(98,590 posts)
19. Has he discussed this with his "less-entitled" wife and children?
Sat Jul 12, 2025, 03:59 AM
Jul 12

How can Usha stand to live with him?

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