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lees1975

(6,431 posts)
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 08:48 PM Monday

Is Pope Francis the first "Woke" pope?

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2025/04/is-pope-francis-first-woke-pope.html

He was an advocate for migrants, interfaith dialogue as a way to prevent conflict, nuclear disarmament and an end to the death penalty, and the dignity of workers. Pope Francis collected both friends and foes in his attempt to turn the 1.3 billion strong Catholic Church into a "field hospital" with its doors open to all and with a special love for those on the margins.
The Catholic Courier, April 21, 2025

If there's anything that actually indicated this Pope was on the right track when it came to reforming the Catholic Church, aiming to return it to its biblical roots, it was the opposition he received from the more conservative elements within the church, especially in the United States. A quote from an article in America Magazine, a Jesuit publication, says, "What really bothers the detractors of Pope Francis is that his theology stems from reality: from the reality of injustice, poverty and the destruction of nature, and from the reality of ecclesial clericalism."

In other words, because he was from South America, his ministry faced a different world than that of most previous popes, one where the academic side of church theology found itself much less relevant in the face of the kind of ministry necessary to bring spiritual comfort along with meeting the physical needs of an overwhelming amount of political oppression, instability and injustice, and a high level of poverty. He was, according to his critics, not authoritarian enough when it came to pronouncements of sin, too merciful when it came to controversial issues like homosexuality, too lenient on dogma and too critical of conservative politicians supporting the church's political influence in those parts of the world where it is still exercising its Christian nationalist power.

In other words, he was too connected to an emphasis on practice of the core principles of the gospel of Jesus, and on building a ministry foundation based on that, and that made him seem like a left-wing crusader bent on undermining the church's political influence.

In other words, Pope Francis was, in whatever way being Pope allowed him to be, "woke."
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Karadeniz

(24,234 posts)
1. John paul 1 wanted to permit birth control and sell vatican treasures to help
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 08:54 PM
Monday

people. In his first month he aced 3 physicals, but still died... no autopsy. I think that was also while a scandal with the Vatican Bank was unfolding.

regnaD kciN

(26,979 posts)
2. My mom was Roman Catholic...
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 09:28 PM
Monday

…and, to the end of her life, was convinced JPI had been assassinated.

ancianita

(40,328 posts)
4. Nope. All popes who have globally put love for the poor and migrants first have been woke, because Jesus was
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 11:44 PM
Monday

the embodiment of "Woke." He was all DEI, too. Jesus' teachings were all about the poor, the humble, the suffering, the sinners. In 3 of the 4 gospels when the Pharisees ask why JC eats with tax collectors and sinners, he answers, "They that are whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. Go and learn what that means. I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, for I am not here to save the righteous, but the sinners."

Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II were also woke. So woke that Pope Francis had John XXIII canonized as a saint. (Also Netflix has a moving documentary on Poland's John Paul II.)

lees1975

(6,431 posts)
5. I agree, Pope John XXIII and John Paul II were pretty out there.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 12:35 PM
Tuesday

I think Pope Francis is defining the path a little clearer. The church has a history of oppression and of various forms of Christian nationalist apostasy in its history and it is difficult at times to separate from your history. It takes real reform. There's a lot of embedded tradition and political activity that runs counter to the Christian gospel.

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