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Dennis Donovan

(30,423 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:38 AM Apr 16

The Handbasket: It was never about antisemitism

The Handbasket - It was never about antisemitism

From abducting college students to an attack on a Jewish governor, Trump’s real motivations remain clear.

Marisa Kabas
April 15, 2025

When Democratic Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro gathered family and friends at his residence Saturday evening to celebrate the first night of Passover, he never could have imagined that the religious texts in their hands would end up charred fragments just hours later. In the wee hours of Sunday morning, a man hopped the fence, entered the home, set off a firebomb, and fled undetected. Everyone inside escaped physically unscathed, but had two large doors on the first floor not been closed, the entire building could’ve gone up in flames.

It remains unclear what exactly motivated the arsonist, but the circumstances lent themselves to some pretty clear inferences: A vocally Jewish elected official had his house torched on one of the most important nights of the Hebrew calendar. Luckily the current president has made fighting antisemitism a cornerstone of his reign and would quickly step in to condemn an act that appeared, at least on its face, to be motivated by antisemitism, right? Wrong.

Trump remained mum all day Sunday into Monday about the attempt on Governor Shapiro’s life until he was finally asked about it during his Oval Office meeting with Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele. A day and half of thinking yielded this response: "He was probably just a whack job and certainly a thing like that can not be allowed to happen.”

This complete lack of care for an overtly Jewish situation happens to coincide with the Trump administration going full bore in its faux crusade against antisemitism. They’ve begun withholding millions in funding for universities until they meet some opaque standard, searching the social media accounts of student visa holders to find reasons to revoke their legal stay in the US, and disappearing people in support of Palestinian liberation to immigrant detention facilities.

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The Handbasket: It was never about antisemitism (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Apr 16 OP
Everything Trump is doing is antisemitic. yardwork Apr 16 #1
So in your view, Bukele is a self-hating Palestinian? He funded Hamas in order to help elect Trump so that he could... AloeVera Apr 16 #3
I think you've answered your own question. yardwork Apr 16 #4
So Netanyahu was in on Oct. 7th? AloeVera Apr 16 #6
Reading your post made me laugh. yardwork Apr 16 #9
I'm glad you got some fun. AloeVera Apr 16 #11
Chump uses it as a handy dog whistle, but he may not be anti-semitic himself FakeNoose Apr 16 #2
Trump is an all-around bigot. yardwork Apr 16 #5
That I can agree with! AloeVera Apr 16 #7
The article makes some really good points. AloeVera Apr 16 #8
It never is. Behind the Aegis Apr 16 #10

yardwork

(66,311 posts)
1. Everything Trump is doing is antisemitic.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:00 AM
Apr 16

He's a bigot and his agenda is to create a highly bigoted country where bigotry is the structure.

As I've said before, I believe that the October 2023 attack by Hamas on Israel was calculated and funded by outsiders. The goal was to divide Americans and ensure that Trump would be elected. I believe that the supposed "grass roots" protests were secretly funded by outside actors and that groups such as DSA were manipulated into a movement that would turn Democratic voters against one another and against our candidates.

It worked like a charm. College campuses blew up with plenty of emotion and bad behavior. The congressional hearings pillorying college presidents were an excuse to go after higher education (one of the pillars of independent thought and discovery in a democracy). Democratic voters stayed home.

This has been a deeply cynical campaign of manipulation with a single goal: get Trump in the White House and turn Americans against everything that stands between us and fascism: federal agencies, the courts, higher education, journalists, even health care.

It's interesting to learn that the billionaire dictator of El Salvador is a Palestinian. He's making lots of money torturing Trump's deportees. I wonder how much he gave to Hamas to help put this all in motion. And Putin, and the rest of the rogues gallery.

These people aren't even trying to hide it.

AloeVera

(2,525 posts)
3. So in your view, Bukele is a self-hating Palestinian? He funded Hamas in order to help elect Trump so that he could...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:28 PM
Apr 16

...torture people and get paid for it? And help elect a man who has done more for Israel than any other President - to the detriment of Palestinians?

Seems a little far-fetched to me.

Bukele is of Palestinian descent - his paternal family emigrated from Jerusalem a hundred years ago - and his mother is Roman Catholic. But it's interesting that you point out his Palestinian ancestry and follow that up with an "interesting" theory about him.

Bukele doesn't need demonizing because he's of part-Palestinian descent. He is a bad guy, Period.

He's also a staunch supporter of Israel, as are a big portion of his base - Evangelical Christians.

Israel loves him too - it exports arms and weapons at ever-increasing rates. It began in the '70's, with Israel providing arms to the bloody military regimes and continuing up to the present day under bloody Bukele. Who is in no way, shape or form either a friend of Palestinians or "smart" or powerful enough to have concocted such as scheme as you suggest.

yardwork

(66,311 posts)
4. I think you've answered your own question.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:06 PM
Apr 16

Ask yourself this - who benefited from Trump in the White House? The list includes both Bukele and Netanyahu.

Is Bukele self-hating? No way. Narcissistic sociopaths don't hate themselves.

AloeVera

(2,525 posts)
6. So Netanyahu was in on Oct. 7th?
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:24 PM
Apr 16

I had my suspicions. Glad you've pointed it out more bravely than I could.

But I know you don't really believe that and I'm really not a conspiracy fan usually.

Though I think Netanyahu let it happen, to serve his interests and that of his ultra right wing. And as we have seen, he has made full use of it to annihilate the Palestinians and drive them out.

And if that is really true, it should be the end for him.

yardwork

(66,311 posts)
9. Reading your post made me laugh.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:53 PM
Apr 16

In four paragraphs you contradicted yourself four times.

Also, I find it hilarious that you think my opinion about Netanyahu's involvement in Oct 7 is definitive, while you disagree with me about everything else. (And you got my opinion about that wrong, too. I have no opinion about whether he was in on it or not. I do know that his response to it was highly predictable, and he knew it would help elect Trump.)

AloeVera

(2,525 posts)
11. I'm glad you got some fun.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 04:03 PM
Apr 16

We could all use a good laugh.

I have to learn to use the sarcasm emoji. I dislike it, seems disrespectful. But I shouldn't assume people "get" me.

There is a difference between "letting" something happen passively and actively planning and funding it. The belief in the latter - whether it's Bukele, Trump, Putin or Netanyahu - is the playground of conspiracy theorists and I'm not one.

FakeNoose

(37,192 posts)
2. Chump uses it as a handy dog whistle, but he may not be anti-semitic himself
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:53 AM
Apr 16

After all, his favorite daughter (and son-in-law) are Jewish, and so are several of his "best buddy" billionaires. Chump will always excuse the MAGAs who really ARE anti-semitic, even though some of them are willing to commit crimes against Jews. The recent attack on Governor Shapiro's mansion in Harrisburg is a perfect example.

AloeVera

(2,525 posts)
8. The article makes some really good points.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:48 PM
Apr 16

On the unintended (?) consequences of Trump's actions:

It was a nice fairytale for Republicans and staunchly pro-Israel Democrats to tell themselves while Joe Biden was still president that Trump would swoop in and obliterate antisemitism from college campuses: But it took re-electing him for many to discover their personal boundaries on regulating speech. And at this point for many of the victims, it’s too late. Now students are being violently arrested and disappeared in the name of fighting antisemitism—and American Jews are left holding a gun a majority of us never asked for.

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As I wrote for Rolling Stone back in 2021, being an American Jew is a mindfuck. And now we’re in more peril than ever because this destruction of this country’s university life and the lives of university students is being done in our name.


On the rule of never bending the knee/capitulating in advance/pre-emptively:

As promising as Harvard’s opposition may seem, in many ways it’s too little too late. They fell prey to bad actors like Chris Rufo, Rep. Elise Stefanik and billionaire Bill Ackman’s relentless and erroneous attacks on their community in the wake of October 7th. And a report from student newspaper The Harvard Crimson detailed how the school had already partially capitulated in advance.

“In the lead-up to the funding review, Garber had tried to quietly walk a middle road between federal pressure and resistance on campus,” the Crimson wrote. “In March, Harvard ousted personnel at its Center for Middle Eastern Studies, suspended programming focused on Israel and Palestine at the Harvard Divinity School, and terminated its partnership with the oldest university in the West Bank — seemingly a preemptive measure to fend off scrutiny from Washington.”

But Harvard’s preemptive efforts were to no avail, because the truth remains that no capitulation will ever be enough to meet an ever-rising waterline.

Behind the Aegis

(55,277 posts)
10. It never is.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:57 PM
Apr 16

It is almost always nothing but a convenient excuse. They no more care about Jews or bigotry against then most. We are inconsequential unless we can be used to bash "the other side". This administration is about what they have been planning for DECADES and that is the destruction of the education system, that they are using anti-Semitism as an excuse is just dressing and the fact it will likely be used by others to attack us, well, gravy. It works as "we are protecting Jews" and if it backfires, "the Jews are to blame" with some already taking that stance.

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