America is a violent place, but incidents like this are rare as hen's teeth.

The rates of many types of crimes are steadily falling and have been for decades.

Sounds to me like he got what he was after, in a fashion.

You don't keep firing at LE when repeatedly told to stop unless you have an active death wish or fancy yourself a martyr.

Especially as he'd already killed one sheriff's deputy.

He was on the ground, not attempting to escape. They were in no danger.

This was a revenge killing, because of the (erroneous) belief that a cop’s life is many more times valuable than that of a civilian.

And yes at increased danger to neighbors, etc.

Don't think that would be a popular plan with the neighbors trying to keep their innocent loved ones and children alive.

Sheesh.

Please explain these other "options" to us.

This was not a person who could be reasoned with. He had already killed once and was was actively firing after being told repeatedly to stop. No one could get out of that armored vehicle without becoming a target.

Running him over was brutal, but an active shooter who has already killed and refuses to stop shooting despite repeated warnings has nothing left to lose and is a danger to anyone in the vicinity, not "just" cops. When someone is behaving that way. LE is going to do their best to take him out, one way or another, before he can hurt or kill someone else. That was not the ideal way to bring the standoff to an end, but it eliminated the danger of him harming anyone else, which would have (rightly) been their first priority.

It is a long, drawn out process thar usually comes after weeks or even months of negotiations, warnings, and even court proceedings. No landlord gets up in the morning, says to themself, I think I'll evict somebody today," and goes ahead and does it. It just doesn't work like that.

I'm sure getting evicted sucks, a hell of a lot, and I'm sorry to see it happen to anyone, but this guy would have been aware that this was was going to happen well in advance of the police showing up at his door with an eviction notice. His reaction was inexcusable, imo. Shooting someone in cold blood just because they brought you unwelcome news (that you knew was coming), is never okay, imo.

I would hope that even those who hate cops on principle are able to see that every situation where a cop confronts an armed civilian is different, and the cop is not ALWAYS at fault. Especially when he's the one who gets shot and killed.

This particular civilian was endangering the lives of everyone in the vicinity, not just the cops themselves. In a residential neighborhood, that means young people, old people, families, little kids, you name it. In a situation like that, LE's first priority is going to be to eliminate that danger, ideally before anyone else is harmed. If that means killing an active shooter who continues to endanger the lives of others, despite repeated orders to stop, by any means available, that's what they're going to do, and I'm not going to fault them for it.

Some evictees refuse to face their impending eviction, for whatever reason, and let it go to the very day of. I have a co-worker who flips properties and has had to evict people who got foreclosed on - they don't take it well.

That this dude met the cops with gunfire means he knew it was coming.

Do ya remember Oswald and Ruby? That "street justice" destroyed fact-finding and accountability,

Roman gladiators threw a net to immobilize.

While there are legitimate self-defense arguments to be made, way too often someone in combat armor kills someone holding a sandwich. or a bag of chips. I grew up reading "Fearless Fosdick" comics and the facts today make him look like a "parking enforcement officer".



The only cop who ever sent a chair to the chair.


When police are militarized, the rules of war, not "justice" prevail.

Gladiators were involved in hand to hand combat, where having full use of one's arms and legs is of paramount importance. It's a whole different story with firearms. Throw a net over someone firing a gun, and the bullets will just keep coming through the holes in the net as long as they have one hand free to pull the trigger.

For all the unnecessary LE killiings we hear about, some are absolutely necessary. In this case, there was an active shooter who had no intention of stopping unless he was forced to do so. When someone is determined to keep shooting, there's only one sure way to stop him. It sounds to me like those cops did what they had to do, using the means that was available at the the time.

w/ Rep. Hortman and what we have seen ICE do since. Knocking on a door needs to be done with very careful considerations.

Being a cop is not the most dangerous profession.

It’s being an electrical lineman.

Policing isn’t even in the top ten. Police deaths are inflated by counting deaths while not on duty, even ones that have nothing to do with crimes or injuries sustained while on duty.

I don’t think ACAB is 100% true, but it’s a valid assumption until proven otherwise.

People go crazy when it comes to court summons and court evictions. Been there and done that 35 years ago.

Because I don't.

As someone said above, he got what he wanted in a way, except they won't bury him on his own property

Anyway....how 'bout them Bucs!