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cliffside

(1,531 posts)
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 12:16 AM Saturday

Russia Counters U.S. Plan for Gaza With Its Own Proposal at U.N. Security Council

Source: NYT

Full/gift article at link

"An effort by the United States to win support from the United Nations Security Council for President Trump’s Gaza peace plan ran into a significant hurdle on Friday, when Russia introduced its own counterresolution, according to three Council diplomats.

Russia, as one of the five veto-holding powers of the Security Council, could block the U.S. resolution. Its counteraction suggested that the Council could be heading to another showdown and stalemate over Gaza. The 10-point Russian resolution, among other points, calls for Palestinian statehood and does not mention the stabilization forces and the governing structure favored by the United States.

.... Among the major sticking points, according to four diplomats: China said it wanted the entire Trump peace plan removed from the resolution; Russia, Algeria and France, among others, wanted clear language supporting Palestinian statehood; and China, Russia and several European countries asked for clarity on the composition and functions of the governing entity, called the Board of Peace, responsible for carrying out Mr. Trump’s peace plan.

... In a statement on Friday, Russia’s mission to the United Nations said it “felt obliged” to propose an alternative resolution on Gaza because the American one did not give due regard to international frameworks, namely the two-state solution for settling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict..."



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cliffside

(1,531 posts)
1. Additional links ...
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 12:28 AM
Saturday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220780299

"The U.S. sent several UN Security Council members a draft resolution on Monday for the establishment of an international force in Gaza for a duration of at least two years, according to a copy obtained by Axios.

Why it matters: The draft resolution, which was designated "SENSITIVE BUT UNCLASSIFIED," would give the U.S. and other participating countries a broad mandate to govern Gaza and provide security through the end of 2027, with the possibility of extensions after that.

The U.S. official stressed that the International Security Force (ISF) will be an "enforcement force and not a peacekeeping force."
The force would involve troops from several participating countries and be established in consultation with the Gaza "Board of Peace," which President Trump has said he will chair...."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134145286

"The United States is pressing the United Nations Security Council to adopt a resolution that would enshrine President Trump’s Gaza peace plan in international law with little room for negotiation, according to a senior U.S. official and diplomats involved in or briefed on the talks.

... The stakes for the Palestinians are high. If adopted, the draft Security Council resolution, which was presented to elected members of the council on Wednesday, would effectively turn Mr. Trump’s peace plan into binding international law.

.... A diplomat from Guyana asked Mr. Waltz whether members of the Security Council would know who would sit on the Board of Peace by the time the draft resolution was put to a vote. Mr. Waltz replied that he was uncertain whether the board's makeup would be known by then, but stressed the need to approve the measure anyway to prevent the collapse of the cease-fire.

.... “The Americans want to control everything,” said Akram Atallah, a London-based analyst originally from the northern Gaza town of Jabaliya. “By keeping things vague, they can do what they want in the future.”

cliffside

(1,531 posts)
3. Opinion - The path to peace in Gaza comes to a crossroads at the U.N.
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 01:07 AM
Saturday

Full/gift article at link, I'll just add that most comments on this piece by Mike Waltz are not favorable.

https://wapo.st/3LZUk9M

By Mike Waltz
Mike Waltz is the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

"Just weeks ago, in early October, the Middle East was still mired in conflict. Israeli hostages were still held captive by Hamas terrorists, and Palestinians in Gaza suffered as the war raged on. Then President Donald Trump secured a historic peace deal, with the support of Qatar, Egypt and Turkey.

... The Board of Peace will serve as a cornerstone in the effort to rebuild Gaza, acting as a transitional administration led by President Trump.

It is for these reasons that the vote at the U.N. Security Council will not merely decide the fate of the Board of Peace and the ISF. It will determine if the region will continue on the path to a durable peace or if its people will risk being plunged again into conflict and misery.

... The Board of Peace is the only path to a secure Gaza in which Palestinians can determine their own destiny, free from either terrorist rule or occupation. Any refusal to back this resolution is a vote either for the continued reign of Hamas terrorists or for the return to war with Israel, condemning the region and its people to perpetual conflict..."

fujiyamasan

(988 posts)
4. And this is why the world can't have nice things.
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 01:45 AM
Saturday

The UNSC should be abolished. The five nation veto power alone makes it useless and anachronistic. The world is a completely different place form when it ws formed.

Both proposals are trash. Neither the US or Russian proposals are worth taking seriously.

Grins

(9,108 posts)
5. Missing from this discussion? "Palestinians"
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 10:13 AM
Saturday

Like they have been dismissed from the conversation, going back a century.

Unless you first come to grips with and solve their problems, there will never be peace.

And the biggest obstacle to that….? Israel.

Mosby

(19,173 posts)
6. The US should make a couple adjustments/compromises
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 11:09 AM
Saturday

Maybe appoint Salam Fayyad to head the Board of Peace, and task M. Dahlan with coordinating Gaza security.

The Russian plan can't be taken seriously.

cliffside

(1,531 posts)
10. trump and kushner want the waterfront property so anyone will need to obey their wishes. nt
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 07:00 PM
Saturday

Mosby

(19,173 posts)
15. If you look at the map included in the Trump plan
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:08 PM
Sunday

You will see that all the beachfront property is in the red zone. The green zone is the area that borders Israel.

So despite all the crazy rhetoric from Trump, the plan is trying to address, at least in the short term, Israels security concerns. There are no articulated plans currently about beachfront development by anyone.

Map

Mosby

(19,173 posts)
14. He has a lot of unfinished business with Hamas.
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:57 PM
Sunday
The former leader of Fatah in the Gaza Strip, Dahlan's power there as head of the Preventive Security Force was at one time so substantial that the territory was nicknamed "Dahlanistan". Seen as a favorite by the George W. Bush administration to be Mahmoud Abbas' second-in-command, Dahlan was appointed by the latter to head the Palestinian National Security Council. An antagonist of Hamas, he participated in the Fatah–Hamas Mecca Agreement before his power began to decline after the latter gained the upper hand in the Battle of Gaza.


Bayard

(27,826 posts)
7. Whatever plan finally gets approved,
Sat Nov 15, 2025, 12:12 PM
Saturday

Must include Palestinian statehood, and what's actually best for the people. Palestine should have a say. Its ridiculous to keep them out of it, and have everybody else deciding their future.

fujiyamasan

(988 posts)
13. None of these are addressing one of the most crucial impediments to peace
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 01:52 AM
Sunday

Which are the illegal settlements throughout the West Bank. Unless those are dismantled, there won’t be a Palestinian state, that is actually secure, geographically contiguous and allowed to realistically function. It will continue to be a weird Swiss cheese apartheid state.

I never liked using the term, but when i compared the maps to apartheid South Africa the parallels were shocking. The checkpoints, the constant harassment, the restrictions on movement, the surveillance. And this is not even getting into Gaza, which is just a decimated wasteland now.

In the past the US (well several democratic administrations) at least acted like they cared about the settlements. Maybe dangle a few carrots and strings here and there. Now we have an ambassador that simply refers to it in biblical terms,
Judea and Samaria, just like the Israeli right.

Mosby

(19,173 posts)
16. Why would anyone reward terrorism?
Sun Nov 16, 2025, 02:25 PM
Sunday

There has always been a path to statehood, but the Palestinians don't want to negotiate and compromise.

Abbas's own words:

Occupied Jerusalem is the capital of the state of Palestine, and without it there will be no solution, and no one is authorized to sign [on an agreement regarding it]….Without eastern Jerusalem as the capital of the state of Palestine there will be no peace between us and Israel….Jerusalem is not Abu Dis [a town bordering eastern Jerusalem], but Abu Dis is part of Jerusalem….The capital [of the future state of Palestine will be] in Jerusalem and the [surrounding] area, the capital [will be] in Jerusalem that was conquered in 1967.

We are telling the world that the Palestinians will not surrender and these are not empty words when we say that we will never surrender. We will stand strong and persevere, and the world will eventually have to agree to what we want. What our people want is that our flowers [young girls] and our youth stand strong and persevere as they perform their wonderful deeds in Jerusalem and other places.

This is not about stubbornness but rather steadfastness and standing strong on principles. We have rights even though we are weak in the world. We will continue to demand our rights and we will achieve our rights….We stand strong here in Jerusalem, in the West Bank, in Gaza, in the diaspora, and in every place we will achieve these rights due to our steadfastness and that of our youth.

When we agree on a solution, the Palestinian land, the skies, and the borders will be under full Palestinian sovereignty. We will control the borders and will not give up any part of them, and no one will laugh at us.

if [you Palestinians] don’t recognize the existence of a Jewish state there won’t be a solution. We will never recognize this and will not agree to this. It is our right not to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. We have many arguments and many reasons that prevent us from doing so and we presented them to Israel. Their problem with us is that we know many things about them, we know their history and geography, and what we know, we say. We will protect everything and we will not agree to the [definition of] state [of Israel] as Jewish. We want the 1967 borders.

The right of return is a personal option. No authority, [Palestinian] state, the PLO, Abu Mazen [Abbas], or [other Palestinian] leaders have the right to take away a person’s right of return. Let there be [various] options and let the refugee choose. There is compensation and other possibilities. Even a father, if he should request it, cannot wave the right of his children, since the matter is an individual right.



No compromise on Jerusalem.
No land swaps. Suicide borders.
No recognition of Israel.
Full right of return (5.5 million Palestinians to gain citizenship in Israel)
Relocation of 550,000 settlers.

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For close to 80 years the Palestinian leadership has demanded concessions from Israel that are completely unreasonable, they want Israel gone, and all the violence like the first and second intifada, stabbing intifada, October 7th is a means to that end. Don't be fooled, they say what they mean.
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