Epstein knew tons of very powerful people, and flew them around all the time, and loaned his plane out as well. We've seen all this stuff. It's time for some ACTUAL evidence IMHO

Perhaps you'd like more details, from their 2021 testimony at the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, as witnesses for the prosecution?

They testified, under penalty of perjury and FOR THE PROSECUTION against Maxwell in an extremely high-profile criminal trial. 4 victims were at the trial to testify. Virgina Giuffre, who was well known to: 1) talk freely, 2) name names, and 3) have flown on their jet *dozens* of times was still alive at the time. And yet no victims, not even VG, accused them of lying on this point.

I'm sorry but I'm a very analytical person and TTBOMK the publicly available evidence that the plane rides were big sex parties for a powerful cabal of rich pedos stands to this day at exactly none, therefore I do not conclude things not in evidence

Bill Clinton himself has explained why he flew on Epstein's plane several times. He was going somewhere (often a transcontinental trip) for a fundraising speech or meeting, and Jeffrey happened to be going in the same general direction, so he offered Bill a free ride. Bill accepted the offer. He was always accompanied by secret service, and sometimes Hillary was also with him. Nothing naughty happened on any of the trips that involved Bill Clinton, and we know that for a fact. (It's been confirmed by the secret service guys.)

Any women who happened to be on Epstein's plane weren't necessarily there for sexual reasons. Also we can't assume that the men on those flights were aware that the sexual abuse was taking place on Epstein's property. I'm sure that some of the men did know, but not all of them. I'm guessing at least some of them would have been appalled, if they had known.

This is why the passenger lists on Epstein's plane are not proof of anything.

You are getting the gist of what my actual point here is in making this argument.

Which is partly to defend Clinton and other Dems who WILL be on the flight lists if I'm honest, but also that I want to finally see some actual evidence of this supposed all-powerful pedo cabal that Epstein was supposedly supplying multiple underage girls to.

At this point in time, I consider such an organization to be little more than conjecture, based almost entirely on what Virginia Giuffre said while suing Maxwell for defamation in civil court in 2015 for millions of dollars.

I'm not saying it's NOT true, at all, I'm just still waiting on the evidence, and the lack of such at this late point makes me doubt there ever was any such a cabal or 'ring' as what people imagine, here and elsewhere. I'm sorry to everyone who finds it offensive that I don't 'toe the party line' about it, but my brain operates on evidence by nature, it's how I'm wired

TTBOMK?

IDKWTFYATA!

Yet another problem.
My Spanish is better than young speak and forever acronyms.

KWIM?

Note that 4 victims testified in Maxwell's case. None of them, nor Virginia Giuffre (the single source and progenitor of the entire 'pedophile cabal' mythos, who for some reason chose not to testify against GM, even though she'd sued the pants off of her in CIVIL court in 2015), ever disputed these pilots testimony, at least not in public.

I submit to you it's unlikely they would be lying, with 4 of the victims right there, plus VG still alive at the time and claiming she was abused by Epstein, knowing as well that she flew on their plane in the *dozens* of times.

We know awful shit went down, of course, but there is ZERO evidence it went down on Epstein's plane

I meant to comment on the thread itself and the GOP desparately trying to deflect.

Killing the Repukes by death from a thousand seemingly innocuous cuts. But no matter. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.

It means "sweet f*** all" which in turn means like none or nothing.

Look, we know horrible shit went down with JE&GM, all I'm saying is being on the flight logs is nowhere near enough evidence to make accusations against any particular individual.

Individuals like Bill Clinton, for example

NO AMERICAN PATRIOT IS PLEASED WITH THE GOP SUCKING UP TO THAT FASCIST POS TRUMP

How sick is the soul of the Republican Party that they are so perversely dedicated to protecting child rapists?

They put a pedophile in office, not once but twice. And believe me, no one cares if they are "furious" that it's finally coming into the light of day.

What kind of aircraft was it?

Per this - https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-jet-spotted-in-middle-east-2019-8

Plane looked like this -



(source - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/jeffrey-epstein-high-society-contacts.html)

He supposedly had an earlier smaller plane from the Hawker series -



Per -

Link to tweet

AF2 is either of the 747s that Vance gets in.

But 45 used it (as a chartered plane) for campaign travel when his clunker died - Donald Trump used Jeffrey Epstein’s former jet for campaign appearances

there is a very easy solution, release all the files.

.....Probably air-raid horns would be blasted all over the country this morning.

They can’t deny the reality of what is in the documents so they have to lie and
say that the Democratic officials are hiding democrat (can’t even say the right
name. ) people who are on those documents too. Now had did Comey
and or his staff even know that DEMOCRATIC people were in those Epstein documents?

Protecting Child Rapists = the GOP.

Or is he too poor?

We all know there are some Dem names in there as well. Whatever. Release the Epstein files in their entirety.

Upset about exposing pederasts? Really? What are they hiding?

You know who.

Oh wait, they want to protect the sickos.

...intentionally withholding documents that contain names of Democrat officials,...is to release 'ALL" Epstein files, unredacted. If you got the balls Comer.

As the article states: "The House Oversight Republicans have their own social media accounts where the documents could be posted". There is nothing stopping Republicans from posting documents if they think it will serve some purpose. It's pretty obvious, they don't have anything or they would release/post it.

You weren't supposed to tell

I say, let them die.

They're obviously figuring that the flash bulbs won't go off in the heads of the dumber-than-dirt magas. Which is likely true.

Thought so.

he is.

“GOD is not pleased”

...is that so hard? Why is that so hard? Likely there will be many more Republicans than Dems. Just a hunch.