He did move some to the left, but not nearly enough.

Biden did a masterful job of getting us out of that and having our economy recover fastest in the world.

...

His priorities the time were urgent and he fulfilled them.

Moving the needle to the left was probably not in the top ten.

I said he was old guard, which he was; and that he
tended toward moderate, which he did... he even
voted for Clarence Thomas.

I also said he moved some toward the left in his
last years, but not enough.

All of this is just true.

That is the very definition of an opinion.

Stop gas-lighting.

To claim opinion as "just true" is an attempt to establish an opinion as fact.

he might not have had much of a choice about that
considering the way the rightwing works.

Remember those words of Harry Truman about
people always voting Republican when they don't
think there's a real difference.

Also, not sure we can say for sure he moved left. We can't know his heart. Many people, myself included, favor policy that is not exactly aligned with what we think OUGHT to be.

Politics is the art of the possible. Do you think Obama's opinion of marriage equality ACTUALLY changed, or do you think his stated position was determined by the realities of politics? Once marriage equality was not a political liability and possible, he enthusiastically supported it publicly.

He was a spokesman for the moderate faction
and used to drive me crazy.

He was always a handsome devil, though.

Biden's general governing view as being moderate versus liberal. I happen to disagree with it somewhat, but it is a valid viewpoint and has nothing to do with the pandemic, a specific event that Joe did an amazing job on, btw.

is a big part of the problem...misinformation about our own like that...


On the issues (all of the issues) Joe Biden:
https://share.google/sOrdMv07Suydm6cb9


https://www.ontheissues.org/joe_biden.htm

We were so close to major progress on actual issues that dramatically affect us (not the created panics), but Manchin and Sinema were there to thwart it.

I doubt that Trump will go after anyone haranguing the ex vice president. I also doubt that anyone attacking an ex official who was not responsible for decisions instead of responsible current office holders is really a supporter of Palestine.

since they showed up.

biden did what he could for the gazans, not much, i admit, but anyone thinking trump wouldn't make it worse was delusional

Mix in some homophobes and they're all on the same page. Disgusting how stupid so many people are. They should be in front of the WH and the Israeli Embassy. I'm sure some of these organizers are working with RW operatives.

Some of us understood ....SHE was their only chance....before her...only Biden was. Biden nor Harris are == Trump

That you cannot see that even now....speaks volumes about why we are here.

P.S. this is Democratic Underground.

...some (perhaps many) people didn't vote for her because of Gaza, and that continues to be a loss for all of us.

And as a private citizen, there is nothing she can do now except speak out against it - what is the point of protesting her appearances?

In this thread.

Democrats in general are softer targets because they aren't angry, punitive, or threatening.

Something about going after a former Democratic veep who wasn't in charge of policy and is now a private citizen who happens to be a woman of color strikes me as Charlie Kirk-ish.

(Not that she did that when Biden was in power.)

Shes female, not white, and not a reigning dictator. Who else can they safely protest with no consequences or effect?

She was VP you ignorant fools. You expected her to stop a war that has been basically going on for centuries, if not millenia.

I am glad they were booed out of the building.

...when it's Trump's problem now? This seems like a set up.

She has no power. I love her and voted for her, but she has no power or influence over any of it now.

What shit stirring does this prove? Bad actors just looking to harrass and drive her off the book tour? Gotta ask.

Hate us Democrats more than they do Republicans

There are only Moderates and Progressives in the Democratic party..

Right and the Democrats are "Center Right"?

This is false on it's face and easily disputed

Mandami is a full on self-defined Socialist....we have both Democratic Socialists of America and Communist Party of the USA... these people protesting Kamala Harris ....kinda prove my point

Yes there is a group that hate Democrats more than they do Republicans, and they use propaganda too....I might point out that Bernie Sanders (which I remind you is an "independent" that runs on the Democratic Party resources) said that Vladimir Putin's trollfarms (that opposed Hillary Clinton) targeted his supporters too....

I am a traditional life long Center Left Liberal Democrat. Aka the Base of the Party.

Joe Manchin was a "Moderate" and there are still a handful of those Blue Dogs left. He still voted with the Liberals 80% of the time.

Im kind of tired of the intentional insult of lumping us in with the Blue Dogs.....when I have been voting since before Blue Dogs were still a force.

And in case the old trope comes up about how "Democrats have moved Right" comes to anyone's mind:

Period. Have a nice day.

Post Joe Manchin leaving

Don't try to lump Center Left Democrats in with them.....we have alway right here:

https://share.google/3t0o94udO7pn7ZjMt

the Moderates so you can cast them into the same bucket as the old School Blue Dogs like Joe Manchin was

And its meant to be insulting....a pejorative

The Liberals are still the bulk and bread and butter of the Democratic Party

In my opinion this would include groups such as the Socialist Workers Party, the Workers League, the Spartacist League, the Fourth International Caucus, etc.

These tend to go after Democrats far more than the GOP, and at the same time seem always to push the "there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans" BS.

Granted, these folks aren't in the Democratic Party, and the GOP line about "far left Democrats" is BS. And I don't know how many of these groups are still active, but I occasionally still see leaflets and such from some of them at demos.

Fun fact: the SWP sued the FBI in the 1980s for harassment, a suit it won, and a court ordered report issued at the time revealed that a third of its members were FBI informants. So how many in these groups are actual lefties, and how many are government or right wing provocateurs is always a relevant question.

use them to smear the Democratic party. As for me, I am whatever Bernie Sanders and AOC are Maybe a progressive socialist? Who knows.

Im a Liberal and I resent being tossed into a bucket with the Blue dogs particularly for those that seem to be confused if they are a Democrat or not.

..in the early '70's.
Occasionally they'd be in our big hallway next to our cafeteria with their newspaper.
They were such a sourpuss looking group....I had no interest in talking to them! 😄

At one point the SWP lost many of its women members who were tired of dealing with its macho "revolutionary" mind set.

They also, in the late eighties, launched a major campaign to defend one of its white members who had been convicted of raping a fifteen year old black girl. The campaign used all the traditional sexist tropes about rape--for instance, that women and girls often lie about rape. As if convicting a white college educated man of raping a working class black girl is ever easy.

The Spartacist League used to show up on campus when I was an undergrad, and I had much the same reaction as you. Their rhetoric and literature were pretty much a caricature of Marxist-Leninist gibberish.

I never listened enough to them to even parse the sexism they had. As for their defense of a rapist - despicable!

because socialist men don't ever rape.

I used to volunteer at a rape crisis center and you can imagine how that went down among the workers there!

😬😬😬

I'm a Liberal....Joe Manchin was a Moderate

They were everywhere protesting Biden, then Harris. They stirred up the uncommitted crowd… trump wins and like a miracle, they disappear. Now suddenly , she is back and voila, so are they.

Never once have they held tsf accountable EVEN NOW WHEN he is in CHARGE!

Come on, tell me this doesn’t stink to high heaven.

Figured out that she is not the President?

She was the Gazan's only chance. They failed.....and now millions more are in jeopardy.

Jesus take the wheel

Link to tweet

Because Democrats are basically peaceful people, I think. That’s how they take advantage of us, not that I am against it. I am all for being peaceful. I believe in Martin Luther King and Gandhi. The guy in the red just look like a stupid maniac. What do they expect to accomplish this way? I wonder, maybe it’s the only thing they can get off on

I'm starting to think these protestors don't give AF about Gaza; they just hate Biden/Harris.

Have they protested Trump ever?

IF they had, they would've listened to the Palestinians who were asking them to vote for Kamala.

I'm convinced they are an op.

I sympathize with the people of Gaza, and denounce the genocide going on there (You'd think Israel would know better, but I guess not).

But blaming Kamala Harris for Gaza is the reason we're in this Trumpian shit right now, and are unlikely to get out of any time soon, unless Trump bites the big one, and we aren't that lucky.

Protesting Harris over Gaza is just plain stupid, I’m sorry

outside the Ellipse for her last speech. ....blocking our exit.. banging pans in our faces and screaming at us and Harris calling us all "baby-killers".....I said then they were going to cost us this election

by contributing to having the sociopath occupy the white house again by refusing to vote for VP Harris in 2024.

She had a four point plan if elected:

1. Immediate ceasefire.
2. Release all hostages.
3. Rebuild Gaza.
4. Immediate negotiations to start on a two-state solution.

Predictable waste of time, and simply pointless. Thanks partly to Democratic non-supporters like this, you get Trump. Happy now? You sure stopped any possibility of Harris working for peace AFTER GETTTING ELECTED.

Rant over.

A lot has happened between then and now, and Harris was/is not in a position of power to do anything.

Makes me wonder about who these protestors are.

It wouldn't be the current administration.

WOL? That would be my guess.

WOL is none of those.

Our national policy has always been Zionist. We have always subsidized Israel and the Israeli military. Both parties.

After 10/7 there was zero chance the US would back off support of Israel.

Could Biden have taken a harder line with Netanyahu? Yes. Would it have moderated or ended their siege of Gaza? Probably not. Hamas are religious fanatics who were backed by Iranian and Lebanese religious fanatics, and Israel is run by religious fanatics.

And thanks to the anti-Zionist Left, now the US is, too.

Because of them, we have TFG

What has he done for them?

Asswipes … every one of them

Aren't these the same jackasses who protested Pride Parades, too? I thought so. Why?

The current Felon in charge has made plans to build a resort where Palestinians currently occupy. In order to do that he will need to demolish all structures and remove all people other than construction crews. Check and check.

Whereas the person that was not elected (questionable) to office spoke of the Palestinian children and innocents being killed, empathetically.
I don't believe a true Palestinian would take the time to protest her. I surmise it's a setup by any number of people that took advantage of an opportunity.

I also believe those here that immediately chose to bad mouth Joe Biden are not who they portray themselves to be. What they succeeded in doing is changing the subject matter and getting DU members criticizing each other. Joe Biden was and is a really good man that gave all he had for the betterment of our Country, a true Patriot. A truly compassionate man that has admitted to some bad decisions but with no ill intent.
There is no comparison of the current occupant of the Whitehouse and Former President Biden and that includes for the current Israeli/Palestinian situation.

As for Kamala Harris's book, I haven't read it, but the excerpts I've heard, I don't think I want to read it. I may have to if she chooses to run again. I suspect I will not be happy about the contents.
Have a good day my DU family.

This performative nonsense of protesting Harris accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Go find something else to whine about.