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BumRushDaShow

(160,763 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 03:27 PM Wednesday

GOP Official Plans To Force Schools Into Creating Turning Point USA Chapters

Source: Huff Post

Sep 24, 2025, 12:36 PM EDT


Oklahoma State Superintendent of Schools Ryan Walters announced plans on Tuesday to establish chapters of conservative activist Charlie Kirk’s right-wing organization, Turning Point USA, in every high school in his state, threatening to revoke school credentials if they don’t comply.

“Radical leftist teachers’ unions have dominated classrooms for far too long, and we are taking them back,” Walters wrote on X, announcing a partnership with the conservative activist group.

Walters’ announcement comes after Kirk’s widow, Erika Kirk, took over the organization following his fatal shooting at Utah Valley University. It’s unclear if the widowed Kirk will continue to echo her husband’s thinking against immigrants, Muslims and the LGBTQ+ community or will move the organization further to the right.

“We have seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want to be engaged in a meaningful work going on at Turning Point,” Walters said. “They want their young people to be engaged in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialog about American greatness, a dialog around American values.” In an interview with local Fox affiliate KOKH-TV, he warns there will be repercussions for schools that refuse to have a Turning Point USA chapter.

Read more: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ryan-walters-oklahoma-school-charlie-kirk-turning-point_n_68d40221e4b0ae58bfea0291?origin=home-latest-news-unit



I am wondering if these people need to be tested for lead (or other heavy metal) exposure or poisoning, as something has severely impacted their brains.
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GOP Official Plans To Force Schools Into Creating Turning Point USA Chapters (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Wednesday OP
Walter's is a sad, pathetic human BOSSHOG Wednesday #1
Ryan Walters has been nibbling on his bullets Turbineguy Wednesday #2
"Neo-Nazi Knuckle-Dragger to Force Hitler Youth Membership In Schools." lastlib Wednesday #3
Is it possible to be a regular old Leftist anymore? maxsolomon Wednesday #4
All of "us", yes. I think Reagan hasn't been declared a "radical" yet. muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #11
Thank you for that most interesting read. niyad Wednesday #16
Old Leftist Scarlet Begalas Thursday #24
Mandatory Civics, no. TPUSA, yes. no_hypocrisy Wednesday #5
I can just hear the intercom announcement: "Remember, kids Tuesday is Brown Shirt Day !" nt eppur_se_muova Wednesday #6
Let me guess... Dulcinea Wednesday #7
HUH?! Jimvanhise Wednesday #8
Not all teens are created equal. But... littlemissmartypants Wednesday #9
I was thinking along those lines, too NJCher Thursday #26
"further to the right?" PSPS Wednesday #10
Still watching porn on your work computer, Ryan? paleotn Wednesday #12
Local news is currently reporting that he is going to resign, KatyaR Wednesday #13
K&R ReRe Thursday #25
No wonder nwduke Wednesday #14
Nah, school districts can be threatened with loss of federal $$ but they don't amount to much anyway, no more ancianita Wednesday #15
He seems to be the state superintendent, not a federal official. reACTIONary Wednesday #18
If the students want a chapter SickOfTheOnePct Wednesday #20
More is involved. I taught in two major high schools for 34 years, substitute taught across at least 20 before that. ancianita Thursday #22
Fair enough SickOfTheOnePct Thursday #30
Sounds as if you're endorsing the GOP's establishing of TPUSA clubs, which is the politicizing of children. ancianita Thursday #36
I'm endorsing free speech in public schools SickOfTheOnePct Thursday #38
If you think TPUSA is for free speech, you don't know TPUSA, an organization ancianita Thursday #39
What? SickOfTheOnePct Thursday #40
If I were in HS I would absolutely join the TP club .... reACTIONary Wednesday #17
Walters is head of Education SCantiGOP Wednesday #19
Authoritarian little prick, isn't he...? Grins Wednesday #21
He just resigned pfitz59 Thursday #23
And they'll claim that refusing this partisan plan is tantamount to leftist political grooming. Beartracks Thursday #27
Anything to feather the rightwing nest and ignore Oklahoma's dismal education ranking. n/t Beartracks Thursday #28
Germanys govt did this also in the 1930's and called it "Hitler Jugend" Pachamama Thursday #29
Since this is supposedly a Christian organization, Ron Reagan's FFRF will take them to court. everyonematters Thursday #31
Schools receiving federal dollars can't discriminate based on viewpoint... SickOfTheOnePct Thursday #33
This message was self-deleted by its author everyonematters Thursday #32
Need to lable these fuckers the christian Taliban. Attach that name to them. They're thin skined and won't like it. Hotler Thursday #34
Kick dalton99a Thursday #35
No need to test the water for heavy metals. Aristus Thursday #37

BOSSHOG

(43,736 posts)
1. Walter's is a sad, pathetic human
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 03:42 PM
Wednesday

Offering zero relative to a positive, caring environment for children. He will be filled with hate. That is what sustains him. Waking up every morning lashing out at whomever or whatever. Hoisting up the likes of Kirk who was killed by a conservative is all the example we need. Nothing can change from this Anti American, Anti Freedom Lunacy.

lastlib

(26,743 posts)
3. "Neo-Nazi Knuckle-Dragger to Force Hitler Youth Membership In Schools."
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:04 PM
Wednesday

Corrected headline.....

muriel_volestrangler

(104,836 posts)
11. All of "us", yes. I think Reagan hasn't been declared a "radical" yet.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 06:01 PM
Wednesday

And before you think I'm being ridiculous, consider this:

For several decades, Cass Sunstein has been one of the most prominent and prolific legal scholars in the United States. A onetime faculty member at the University of Chicago Law School, Sunstein co-authored, with Richard Thaler, the 2008 book “Nudge,” which advocated for government policies that pushed citizens to make certain decisions without restricting their choices. (One example: Asking people who are getting their driver’s licenses whether they would like to be organ donors rather than leaving them to sign up for it on their own.) The next year, Sunstein joined the Obama Administration. He ran the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, which essentially made him the government’s chief overseer of federal regulations. (Sunstein, a friend of Obama from their time in Chicago, was initially the subject of right-wing conspiracy theories that painted him as an overzealous nanny-state enforcer, but he ended up disappointing progressives who thought he was too deferential to the free market.)

Sunstein has written a new book, called “On Liberalism,” which is a defense of the idea of liberalism at a time when Sunstein believes it is under threat from both the right and the left. The book barely mentions Donald Trump or contemporary politics, however, and instead provides a defense of a general liberal belief system, which Sunstein breaks down into eighty-five features. Sunstein’s conception of liberalism is quite capacious; it includes New Deal liberals and so-called classical liberals, including Friedrich von Hayek and Robert Nozick, as well as politicians such as Ronald Reagan.

I recently spoke with Sunstein, currently a professor at Harvard Law School, about the book and our current political moment. During our conversation, which has been edited for length and clarity, we discussed how to understand the origins of the conservative movement, his confidence that the Supreme Court is committed to liberal ideals, and his friendship with a man whom many liberals consider a war criminal: Henry Kissinger.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/can-liberalism-be-saved

The New Yorker article, by Isaac Chotiner, goes on to eviscerate Sunstein, politely, pointing out the people he has included as "liberal" supported people like David Duke and General Pinochet.

Scarlet Begalas

(62 posts)
24. Old Leftist
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 12:48 AM
Thursday

Anybody to the left of Sean Hannity is a radical left fascist communist marxist baby killer and probably a vegetarian, too.

Dulcinea

(9,199 posts)
7. Let me guess...
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 05:23 PM
Wednesday

...this asshole wants to get elected to higher office, & being a hateful sack of fecal matter is how he plans to do it.

Jimvanhise

(517 posts)
8. HUH?!
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 05:26 PM
Wednesday

So imaginary radical left wing indoctrination is bad but radical right wing indoctrination is okay? "Teacher, why was the 1964 Civil Rights Act bad?" "Are black women really unintelligent?" Yeah, lets go on Youtube and play Charlie Kirk speeches when this comes up for a vote in the legislature.

littlemissmartypants

(29,893 posts)
9. Not all teens are created equal. But...
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 05:46 PM
Wednesday

A general theme among the age group is rebellious behavior.

I look forward to seeing how this shakes out.

I have an idea that it may become another case of "be careful what you wish for" for these radical MAGA idiots who can't see past the bills on their ugly red hats.

NJCher

(41,541 posts)
26. I was thinking along those lines, too
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 01:31 AM
Thursday

Guaranteed, sure fire way to turn everyone off is to shove it down their throats, which is what this is.

PSPS

(14,956 posts)
10. "further to the right?"
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 05:59 PM
Wednesday

They'll have to add yet another extension on the right plank lest they fall off

KatyaR

(3,611 posts)
13. Local news is currently reporting that he is going to resign,
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 06:45 PM
Wednesday

maybe as soon as Friday. It's thought he has another job. Turning Point, maybe?

Note that the news is coming from a "digital news outlet" in DC....

Ryan Walters could step down as State Superintendent, report says

Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters is considering resigning from his role, according to sources with NOTUS, a digital news outlet based in Washington, D.C.

Walters’ resignation could come as soon as this week, according to NOTUS.

Sources told NOTUS that Walters is believed to have another job lined up.

Griffin Media has reached out to Ryan Walters, but has not heard back.

ReRe

(12,038 posts)
25. K&R
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 01:20 AM
Thursday

Well, Katya, your reply is the deepest rabbit hole I've been down lately and boy did I get an EDUCATION!
Ryan Walters MO is: "to erase the line between church & state.

He is the Oklahoma State Superintendent of Schools that we have been hearing about the last few years.
Now that he has the Ten Commandments & Bibles in every school in the state, he's going full hog on the far right wing's drive
to turn every school in the state into institutions of Christian Nationalism.

The famous "Prager U" is an NGO (supposedly, I'd like to read it's mission statement) that $ells it's conservative school curriculum to
Schools. in the United States, The article I read said (some) schools in Alaska, Idaho, South Carolina, Louisiana, New Hampshire, Montana, Texas, Florida and Arizona have already adopted their religious curriculum.

What's different is that the curriculum will be in EVERY school in Oklahoma. American tax dollars are going to pay for Christian Nationalist K-12 schools in Oklahoma.

ALSO, (if all that isn't enough) all teachers will have to take a 50-question test in which they will fail if they don't answer every question right. Let me repeat: in order to teach in any school in OK, one must pass this test in order to get an OK teaching certificate.

Having accomplished his mission to erase the line between church and state in all of OK schools, Walters has resigned his OK schools post. He's either going to run for governor or (get this) might be edging into some kind of position with Charlie Kirk's Turning Points USA. Don't know if the TPA position is state or national.

That's what I learned down in that rabbit hole. Whew. I feel sick.

ancianita

(42,002 posts)
15. Nah, school districts can be threatened with loss of federal $$ but they don't amount to much anyway, no more
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 09:29 PM
Wednesday

2-15% of any state education budget. He can't require courses or even extra curricula "chapters." States run their school systems, not the federal government, so no. What's more likely is that TPUSA won't fit in with legally established state curricula, so it ain't gonna happen.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,671 posts)
20. If the students want a chapter
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 11:21 PM
Wednesday

And if the school allows other extra curricular clubs, they have to allow it.

ancianita

(42,002 posts)
22. More is involved. I taught in two major high schools for 34 years, substitute taught across at least 20 before that.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 12:16 AM
Thursday

And I can tell you, those two things do not determine how extra curricular activities get "allowed."

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,671 posts)
30. Fair enough
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 06:24 AM
Thursday

If enough students ask for it, find the sponsor, do all things that a school would require them to do (not talking forced by the state here, talking about students forming it), then I hope the school system has the money to fight the lawsuits if they deny it.

ancianita

(42,002 posts)
36. Sounds as if you're endorsing the GOP's establishing of TPUSA clubs, which is the politicizing of children.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:39 AM
Thursday

You "hope" schools fight to allow them to "force" them to adopt such "chapters" and that schools that reject TPUSA face "repercussions"??

What do you think the GOP really mean when they say the chapters will have kids "engaged in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialog about American greatness, a dialog around American values” when they already come from the position that schools are "“Radical leftist teachers’ unions"? Really? Seriously?

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,671 posts)
38. I'm endorsing free speech in public schools
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 10:56 AM
Thursday

I'm endorsing public schools following federal law if they're receiving federal dollars.

I don't have to like what is being said in order to support the right to say it.

As you know, these are voluntary and before or after school hours, not being taught in the classrooms by the teachers.

ancianita

(42,002 posts)
39. If you think TPUSA is for free speech, you don't know TPUSA, an organization
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 12:53 PM
Thursday

-- aligned with the christian right and christian nationalists
-- funded by conservative donors and foundations,
-- that in the last 8 yrs has raised well over over US$85 million

-- whose donors include Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus, former IL Governor Bruce Rauner,
billionaire Richard Uihlein, Charles Koch and his oligarch network at Donors Trust
-- whose chief creative officer published a conspiracy theory about Barack Obama
-- whose 850 campus "club" workers are paid to register students to vote to meet a quota of at least 1,500 student per semester.

-- which supports the NRA and the use of fossil fuels,
-- which opposes political movements such as Black Lives Matter
-- which promotes the conspiracy theory of "Cultural Marxism" and says it works to "combat it" in universities
-- which calls universities "islands of totalitarianism" --

If your free speech stance is that it's okay for the above right wing funded political groups to offer children -- mere non-voting age children -- a choice from the state curricula taught by what TPUSA calls "radical leftist unions" of teaching professionals, and/or...

If you're for a child facing organization at the level of "clubs for children" -- then you are wittingly or unwittingly for the free speech paid for and used by the private Koch oligarch network funds to groom children against the very governments that provide them with public education, then

You either haven't thought this through, or don't know the ramifications of what your simple "free speech for TPUSA clubs in schools are, or if you have, then in the context of public schools, you are using the very similar defense of "free speech" that oligarchs used to win Citizens United -- the SCOTUS ruling that "money is free speech" -- which got us trump, maga, and a right wing 1% trying to privatize the whole of government.
It's the same free speech stealth project that brought Project 2025 to the U.S.

I support Democrats. And Democrats do NOT support Turning Point USA's alleged goal of "free speech" that promotes the goals of right wing oligarchs.

I'm pretty distrusting of any Democrat who, by now, hasn't figured out what Democratic Socialist Bernie has told millions of us time and again:

-- that the Right's free speech is all of a piece -- divisive, in order to establish minority dominance by the 1%,
-- that Right Wing oligarch's "Free speech" projects are both a) cover for right wing hate speech and
b) the promotion of privatization against "socialist" government, legal under the First Amendment; and lastly,
-- that what is legal right isn't always right.


SickOfTheOnePct

(8,671 posts)
40. What?
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 01:00 PM
Thursday
If your free speech stance is that it's okay for the above right wing funded political groups to offer children -- mere non-voting age children -- a choice from the state curricula taught by what TPUSA calls "radical leftist unions" of teaching professionals, and/or...


Where do you get the idea that these clubs would be replacing the curricula? These are before/after school, extracurricular organizations.

As I said , I’m for free speech, even speech I don’t agree with; YMMV.

reACTIONary

(6,728 posts)
17. If I were in HS I would absolutely join the TP club ....
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 10:49 PM
Wednesday

... and get all my long haired hippy freak friends* into it also. Just to cause some unease, consternation, and maybe a little bit of trouble. Since it's a public school, they couldn't pick and choose who could and could not join.

*An indication of when I actually was in HS.

Grins

(8,901 posts)
21. Authoritarian little prick, isn't he...?
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 11:27 PM
Wednesday

Trump Bible in schools, 10 Commandments every classroom, and now this shit.

Note: What bugs me with articles like this is the lede: “GOP Official Plans To….”

Why not, simply: “OK Republican, Ryan Walters, Plans To…”

Beartracks

(14,117 posts)
27. And they'll claim that refusing this partisan plan is tantamount to leftist political grooming.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 01:35 AM
Thursday

Pachamama

(17,483 posts)
29. Germanys govt did this also in the 1930's and called it "Hitler Jugend"
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 03:50 AM
Thursday

They got really cute uniforms and got cool haircuts called the undercut and girls would wear braids.

everyonematters

(3,930 posts)
31. Since this is supposedly a Christian organization, Ron Reagan's FFRF will take them to court.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 06:59 AM
Thursday

They win cases like this all the time.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,671 posts)
33. Schools receiving federal dollars can't discriminate based on viewpoint...
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 07:08 AM
Thursday

...if they allow other extra-curricular clubs.

TP would have to follow all of the same procedures and policies to request that a TP chapter be permitted, but they can't stop them simply because it's a religious organization.

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

Hotler

(13,446 posts)
34. Need to lable these fuckers the christian Taliban. Attach that name to them. They're thin skined and won't like it.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 09:01 AM
Thursday
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