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BumRushDaShow

(160,763 posts)
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 03:15 AM Tuesday

DOJ pleads with conservative appeals court to rule that judges can't question Trump's 'factfinding'

Source: Law & Crime

Sep 22nd, 2025, 3:18 pm


The DOJ is asking the full 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals and its conservative majority to find that two judges wrongly "failed" to defer to President Donald Trump on his determinations that alleged Venezuelan gang members had invaded the U.S. and should be swiftly removed from the country through his Alien Enemies Act (AEA) declaration.

In a 21-page filing Monday seeking a rehearing en banc, the DOJ asserted that a three-judge panel, except for the dissent, erroneously "invalidated" Trump's proclamation in March which designated Tren de Aragua (TdA) as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization" numbering "thousands of members" who were "conducting irregular warfare and undertaking hostile actions against the United States" and with the blessing of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.

According to the government, which repeatedly cited the dissent, the 2-1 majority "failed to defer" to Trump, "misinterpreted the AEA's text and history to unduly cabin its reach," and encroached on the president's authority under Article II of the Constitution. "The full Court should rehear this case to make clear that the AEA supports the President's Proclamation, and reaffirm that the government's policy for notifying enemy aliens of their removal under the AEA comports with due process," the DOJ said.

Earlier in September, the panel led by U.S. Circuit Judge Leslie Southwick's majority concluded that Trump's invocation of the 1798 wartime law failed for the reasons that there was "no invasion or predatory incursion" afoot under the meaning of the statute, that the U.S. is neither at war with TdA nor Venezuela, and that the president's admittedly "broad discretion" was reviewable by the courts.

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-demands-conservative-appeals-court-find-that-judges-wrongly-failed-to-defer-to-him-on-alien-enemies-act/



Full headline: 'Cannot involve second-guessing': DOJ pleads with conservative appeals court to rule that judges can't question Trump's 'factfinding' after Alien Enemies Act loss

Link to FILING (PDF) - https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.224134/gov.uscourts.ca5.224134.206.0.pdf
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DOJ pleads with conservative appeals court to rule that judges can't question Trump's 'factfinding' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Tuesday OP
So this is why TFG is trying to wage war on Venezuela UpInArms Tuesday #1
Wonder if trump can be tried for war crimes in an undeclared war? Bayard Tuesday #4
Juries are finders of fact. When there is no jury, the judge is the finder of fact. But I am not a lawyer. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Tuesday #2
I believe the corrupt orange tired has a hidden agenda nwduke Tuesday #3

UpInArms

(53,438 posts)
1. So this is why TFG is trying to wage war on Venezuela
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 05:07 AM
Tuesday

It’s the workaround

Venezuela accuses US of waging 'undeclared war' in strikes on alleged drug traffickers

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250919-venezuela-accuses-us-of-waging-undeclared-war

Venezuela on Friday accused the United States of waging an "undeclared war" in the Caribbean and called for a UN probe of American strikes that have killed over a dozen alleged drug traffickers on boats in recent weeks.

Washington has deployed warships to international waters off Venezuela's coast, backed by F-35 fighters sent to Puerto Rico in what it calls an anti-drug operation.

"It is an undeclared war, and you can already see how people, whether or not they are drug traffickers, have been executed in the Caribbean Sea. Executed without the right to a defence," Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino Lopez said as he attended a military exercise in response to the US "threat".

His remarks came just hours before US President Donald Trump announced another military strike on a boat, claiming three more alleged "narcoterrorists" were killed, bringing the total number of deaths in recent weeks to 17.


Bayard

(27,150 posts)
4. Wonder if trump can be tried for war crimes in an undeclared war?
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 01:08 PM
Tuesday

He certainly thinks he's at war with Venezuela though. This has nothing to do with drugs, imagined or real.

Bernardo de La Paz

(58,848 posts)
2. Juries are finders of fact. When there is no jury, the judge is the finder of fact. But I am not a lawyer. . . nt
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 07:46 AM
Tuesday

nwduke

(453 posts)
3. I believe the corrupt orange tired has a hidden agenda
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 09:59 AM
Tuesday

wag the dog war then stop the mid term elections! The Hitler playbook!

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