the press made a big deal out of President Macron's statement last week - but they didn't report on the FULL statement.

IE -he also expected Palestine to recognize Israel as a State.

I think this all falls apart in the end, but it will be interesting to see if the Arab League finally admits that Israel is a country.

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how many people realize that Hamas is a branch off from the Muslim Brotherhood, the group responsible for killing Sadat who tried to make peace with Israel.

I didn't know the Muslim Brotherhood was responsible for Anwar Sadat's death. I do remember Arab Muslims referring to him as 'Nassers little black poodle'.

" An investigation uncovered evidence that the killers had plotted the attack with Al Gamaa al-Islamiyya, a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot that had failed ambitions of launching an Islamic revolution in the mid-1980s.

Aboud El Zomor, the leader of Al Gamaa al-Islamiyya, was convicted of plotting the assassination and spent almost 30 years behind bars before his release in April, among hundreds of political prisoners detained during President Hosni Mubarak’s regime.

Three decades later, in his first interview with a U.S. television news organization since his release, El Zomor was unapologetic about being a part of the killing of Sadat.

“Our role was related to assisting but not decision-making,” El Zomor recalled in his interview with CNN. “All that we did, our role, is that we had ammunition that we sent” to the assassins."

https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/world/meast/egypt-sadat-assassination

Also, Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

HAMAS, an acronym for Harakat al-Muqāwama al-Islāmiyya, or the “Islamic Resistance Movement,” was founded in 1987 as an offshoot of the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, which was formed at the beginning of the first intifada. In case some are wondering why there is criticism on the use of "globalize the intifada"

Israel has made clear it's goal is to rid Palestine of its people. Hence the mass starvation and building of a death camp in Rafah.

Palestinians need the right to freely vote for their own government which they have
not had in decades. They need to choose the leaders who speak for them as people.

Hamas does not equal Palestinians.

The PLO did so in 1993, and it continues.

Would have to eliminate Hamas - and take control of Gaza. Because Hamas does NOT believe that Israel is a country.

I wonder if the Palestinian Government has the will?

I don't think they do - or they would have done so already.

...Hamas is the elected Palestinian government...and I agree with everything you said.

Take Hamas out of the equation and this is solvable.

not since. It was elected with cash that Bibi facilitated from Qatar in order to undermine the Palestinian Authority and with it a two-state solution. Netanyahu bears some responsibility for the terrorists he designed.

Hamas has never been elected in the West Bank.

which includes the West Bank.

...I should have said the Palestinians in Gaza, which I did say in a different post.

Bottom line, they voted for terrorists to lead them, and that's what they got.

Do you serve what you got? Only the current generation in Gaza hasn't had a chance to vote at all.

But in three years we'll have another chance. Gaza voted in a terrorist group as an FU to Israel, not even thinking about the consequences.

In 2006, a plurality--not a majority--of Gazans voted for Hamas, after Israel's direct interference in the election and clamp down on movements of people during the election. You absolve yourself of the actions of the Trump administration, while you blame starving babies for an election that they never took part it. Most living Palestinians never voted at all, and most of those Palestinians who were alive in 2006 didn't in fact vote for Hamas. Yet you use that claim to justify mass starvation and death camps.

This is what Snopes says about your claim. https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians-gaza-elect-hamas/

And as has been pointed out, it's acknowledged the right of Israel to exist, which is far more than Israel is doing with its campaign of destruction and outright opposition to a Palestinian state.

States do not stop being states when one part does not recognise another as the government (eg the USA did not stop being the USA when the Confederate states rebelled). It's not a matter of "will" (I'm sure Fatah would love to be rid of Hamas); they don't have the firepower. I mean, Israel hasn't eradicated Hamas yet, and that's after 2 years of war and 60,000 dead. If Fatah got close to developing the firepower to attack Hamas, Israel would level the West Bank.

Israel says its corrupt. But that's not the real reason, surely.

...but the PLO isn't in control in Gaza, so it's irrelevant.

Israel, Palestine I (in the West Bank) and Palestine II (in Gaza)?

There can't be a "well, this part of Palestine recognizes Israel, but the part over there doesn't". It's all or nothing, and that will never happen while Hamas is in charge of Gaza.

who were controlling the Palestinians were against that?

As long as Hamas is in control of Gaza, the only thing they want is the destruction of Israel. Just read their charter.

And they are systematically destroying Gaza.

agree to a ceasefire.

That in no way means I approve of what Israel is doing under Netanyahu, but a sad reality is that both Hamas and Netanyahu use each other to maintain their power.

Biden actually moved to pause a shipment of heavy weapons to the Israeli government because of concerns over its plans to invade Rafah, but the House republicans pushed a bill that would force those arms shipments through.

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/05/16/congress/israel-bill-passes-00158457

So when the protesters, Abandon Harris groupies, and others decided there was no difference between VP Harris and republicans, what did they think would happen?

Bibi will go down as the guy who so overplayed what was indeed a horrific terrorist attack into a Palestinian state.

Forever inexorably linked to the founding of modern Palestine.

that's gonna leave a mark, good job dickhead

talk about "recognition" but put the idea of borders on a very long and very slow walk. Israel should have been forced to go back to the 1967 borders long ago but everybody gave in to the idea of "needed for security" and "we will administer the West Bank and Gaza fairly". So now here we are 77 years down the road from when the leaders of the world said they would address displacement, compensation, right of return and they have done none of it. The promises were hollow then and although it is somewhat of a step forward for major powers to recognize a "state" of Palestine any of the meaningful issues will be slow walked and picked apart and conferences scheduled and people refusing to come and on and on like it has been.

That is why the world must impose borders whether Israel, the Palestinians, the neighboring countries etc. like it or not. This situation in the Middle East has brought the world to the point of problems of nuclear weapons and we cannot risk it escalating and that escalation will not be stopped by bombing the nuclear sites of one country while leaving in place the problems in the region created over the last more than 100 years.

The whacks in Israel running things really won't abide by any recognition of a state of Palestine anyway. They'll be angry at the countries that do but that will be about it. They may pull some diplomats and yell about trade etc. but that will be it.

...The whacks in Gaza running things really won't abide by any recognition of the state of Israel anyway.

I think we need to start seeing Palestine take control of these Hamas assholes.

it didn't I? No more decades of slow walking discussions etc. Everybody had their chance and now the world should step in as it should have long ago.