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cliffside

(1,047 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 12:28 AM 7 hrs ago

Shootings, Devastation, Hunger: Israel Fails to Address Gaza's Power Vacuum

Source: NYT

"Over the weekend, Israeli soldiers shot Palestinians near an Israeli-backed aid site and a U.N. convoy. Both episodes pointed to Israel’s refusal to allow new governance structures to emerge.

For a year and a half, experts have warned that Israel’s failure to plan for a power transition in Gaza would lead to anarchy, make it harder to deliver aid and stymie efforts to defeat Hamas.

A sequence of shootings in Gaza over the weekend — one near Gaza’s southern border, another at its northern edge — have highlighted the accuracy of those predictions.

.... That failure to find a solution has led to Israel’s growing diplomatic isolation. On Monday, 25 countries, including Britain, France and Japan, called Israel’s conduct “unacceptable” and demanded that Israel end the war immediately..."

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/21/world/middleeast/shootings-aid-gaza-analysis.html?unlocked_article_code=1.YU8.ZGx9.TVp6R-iXAEiM&smid=url-share



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Shootings, Devastation, Hunger: Israel Fails to Address Gaza's Power Vacuum (Original Post) cliffside 7 hrs ago OP
It is Hamas who has refused to allow any new governance structure. SunSeeker 7 hrs ago #1
Death camps iemanja 6 hrs ago #3
no. the issue is Hamas. stopdiggin 5 hrs ago #6
I suggest you do a bit of reading on current events iemanja 5 hrs ago #7
On Hamas and cease fire proposals iemanja 5 hrs ago #8
so... myohmy2 5 hrs ago #9
How much power does Hamas really have at this point? fujiyamasan 6 hrs ago #4
Israel has a plan iemanja 6 hrs ago #2
no way... myohmy2 5 hrs ago #5

SunSeeker

(56,167 posts)
1. It is Hamas who has refused to allow any new governance structure.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 12:44 AM
7 hrs ago

Hamas insists it must maintain security control of Gaza as a core demand. It says it will fight the Palestinian Authority or any Arab government that tries to come in. That is why Hamas has been refusing the cease fire deals.

World pressure should be squarely on Hamas to accept a cease fire. Hamas is the bad guy here.

Free Palestine--from Hamas.

iemanja

(56,274 posts)
3. Death camps
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 01:26 AM
6 hrs ago

Starving people being shot at, plans to herd 2 million Gazans into death camps, from which Israel says they will not be allowed to leave alive, but you think the issue is a cease fire?

SMH

stopdiggin

(14,036 posts)
6. no. the issue is Hamas.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 02:13 AM
5 hrs ago

And as long as that entity refuses to cede power (and enact an enforceable cease fire) - Gaza remains in a state of war. Granted not a symmetrical war - but that does not change the fact that Hamas still plays a major role in the continuation of the war (and Palestinian suffering).

Many of us would like to pretend like the terrorists have suddenly disappeared. Be assured, they have not. And they are still a major issue.

fujiyamasan

(480 posts)
4. How much power does Hamas really have at this point?
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 02:03 AM
6 hrs ago

Are there even any operational targets left at this point in Gaza? What is Israel protecting itself from now?

I’m not saying Hamas doesn’t have power or that they’re not a threat to Israel, but I doubt the Hamas that conducted the October 7th attacks is what exists now.

As someone that used to consider myself pro Israel, and believe they had an absolute right to retaliate for October 7th, it’s clear this has gone well beyond attacking terrorism. It’s about destroying Gaza’s people, it’s civilian infrastructure, and starving them, and making any surviving residents lives so miserable they are driven to flee.

I used to argue it’s not genocide, but maybe I’ll split hairs and just call it ethnic cleansing, because at the minimum that’s what has been going on for sometime now. Hell, Trump, Netanyahu and their ardent followers like Fetterman (well on Israel), advocate as much. Forced relocation is a policy goal for this Israeli government.

myohmy2

(3,587 posts)
5. no way...
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 02:07 AM
5 hrs ago

...to turn this into an achievement...

...many ways to turn this into inhumanity...

...this will be remembered...

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