Trump is now excess baggage looking toward the midterms. I don't know if they will dump him, but they will find a way to push Trump aside.

And walk away with billions and then J.D. will come in and Crypto will be made coin of the
realm and ICE will become America’s Gestapo. We are in bad times.

Peter Theil, Musk, Zuckerberg, the Fossil Fuel Industries, Russia, Christo Fascism, the Federalist
Society, China, Saudi Arabia, News Corp and the right wing will really run things. J.D. will just
be a figurehead. The elections in 2026 are already taken care off.

He's incapable of leaving money on the table.

which is a steady drip, drip of evidence tying him to Epstein and the most reprehensible conduct they engaged in together.

He can either take the billions he grifted so far in the second term or face being driven out of office.

I think the oligarchy got together and decided that since they got the wealth redistribution bill through (one of whose real intents was to bankrupt the nation so that there is no money to ever enact programs that benefit the people) he's expendable, and more trouble than he's worth because he keeps stirring sh*t up with the tariffs, being an international embarrassment, deporting cheap labor, etc.

He doesn't care what people think of him. Whatever they spring, he'll deny it, spin it, ignore it, call it a hoax, whatever. He has zero shame, and unlimited greed. He won't walk away from the gravy train.

where he can still put out tweets and run his grifts, but just not do anything from a governance standpoint.

But any effort to do that runs squarely into the ship of fools that are the cabinet, and this huge appropriation for Trump's secret police. As Thiel and friends look toward the midterms, are they going to try to tone down any of that? Or do they figure they have enough control over the election machinery that it doesn't really matter?

He doesn't govern; he says stupid shit and creates chaos.

We should not underestimate the significance of Vance secretly flying to Murdoch's estate for a meeting right when all the powerful billionaires were turning against Trump and right when Trump was threatening a big lawsuit against the Murdochs.

There really are only two possibilities here, I believe:
1) Trump sent Vance on a mission to quietly patch things up with Murdoch.
2) This is the time that Theil and his fellow billionaire tech boys make their move to push Trump aside.

I think the probability of 1) is practically zero. So it really becomes a question whether Theil , Murdoch, Vance, Musk and the others have the guts to confront Trump.

There is a big problem, however. It seems very unlikely that Trump could be removed through impeachment. And let's say that the billionaires convince the Republicans in Congress to impeach and convict. In that case, it might be tactically smart for the Dems to block that, forcing the Republicans to live with Trump. But the Dems never think strategically, so that isn't going to happen.

The other way to force Trump out is through the 25th. But Trump has loaded the cabinet with people who are just as evil and demented as he is, so I can't see them acting.

I'm not sure how Theil gets over this hump.

And he also keeps all the confidential information he stole previously and will steal the updated versions as he leaves. That is how they convince him. Of course he'll probably get some Trump towers in Russia and Gaza to go along with the plane.

oxygen supply, etc, will keep him going until Satan himself comes to get him and even then he will be kicking his bloated feet and screeching his stupid Nazi lies as he is hopefully vanished from this realm forever.

I think he could be enticed to leave with the right buyout package

Grifter’s gotta grift.

Sending his capo to threaten Fox Noise.

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Trump would never trust Vance to do anything like that. Moreover Trump would simply post something on his website. Trump knows nothing about backroom discussions. Subtlety is not his thing these last 20 years.

The tech bros want Trump out now that they have ruined the country. Gateways are open to making gazillions of dollars off America's back.

A story has appeared about Vance and secret meeting in Montana. The other one was a month or more ago. We'll see. I'm skeptical

Read that Theil was there with JD, hosting others who came in and out.

Dillon, MT, near where the Murdoch 'ranch' is in down in southeast MT.

The thing with Montana these days is that there are a lot of big money people who have homes there now, and damned little media, so it's a good place to slip in and out of if you are getting ducks in line to pull a coup.

huge amounts of land in northern states in anticipation of climate change making southern states uninhabitable.

Buy all the land so that if/when that happens, they will make a killing when northern real estate values skyrocket.

And, yes, big money has moved in. The average person there does not make a lot of money, but housing costs are astoundingly high in recent years. The rugged people have been corralled into a service economy, waiting on the rich who are despoiling 'the last best place'.

For the ultra wealthy, it's a safer, more private world and too many local pols are too easily bought.

It has broken what has been left of my heart.

But they are buying the land in anticipation that is where new fresh water will emerge.

They've been there for many years, and they're almost communes. Not religious so much as the types that say, "When the food and the oil run out, we'll have all the guns."

Can't quite keep track..

Theil probably making sure all the rich ducks are in line

employees were required to sign NDAs about the other famous tech and politics people being ferried in and out between the Musk and Vance visits. But the pilot ferrying them in and out said, "They're people who are in the news every day."

If I recall correctly, this was AFTER the break with Musk.

And now Murdoch, just weeks later.

and investors flew into Missoula the week prior to JD’s meeting at the Murdoch ranch. I don’t think that was related to JD’s meeting. Rumblings around here (Just chatter) is that there’s a data center in the works.

Nice to hear the inside scoop.

Other movers and shakers but it included a Vance trip.

Hmm 🤔
Was this to head off the WSJ story?
Is he gearing toward 2028?

He ain’t stupid. He just stands still and waits for everything to fall around him.

With or against the orange blob, we must ask?

Every God damned one off to Gator Prison. With same legal help as they gave immigrants. NONE.
There is only one damn way this shit gets fixed. And it ain’t pretty.
Saw a clip in a movie today, Last Flag Flying, (best movie I have seen in years, if you are a vet you must watch this) and in the background on TV, Sadam had just been drug outta his hole. Battered and beaten, no hair spray or tan, and terror in his eyes, like he forced on everyone while ruling. And the citizens of the country were partying like hell in the streets.
Maybe we will get a party opportunity someday when our country is liberated from our 🍆🥔
And there was also an image of his sons.
Not so smug after their fate.
And the country got all their gold back!

Facsism is here folks...

It has fuck-all to do with 2028. Considering the last 6 months, you'll be lucky to have a remotely functional country by then. This regime is not going to play by conventional election rules, anyhow.

Hell, they're already trying to fuck up 2026.

Palantir

The only variable is probably Trump's rapidly declining condition and whether they will be ready if he goes down hill faster than they anticipated.

He’s old, heavy, circulation problems, and is too stupid not to shut up for his own good. It’s only been 6 months as of tomorrow. He’s wearing himself out.

Oh and he sucks. Just wanted to get that on record.

Years of living on fried food and rage is showing.

For example:

May 31: Elmo Mush flew into Missoula, MT today.

Musk, Thiel and some other billionaires flew into Missoula a week before JD came up to meet with Murdoch. My kiddo was working at the airport where the private jets are received and verified them all coming and going. He took pics and video. The two events don’t appear to be related but with this lawless crowd, no one really knows.

I don’t think FOTUS will remain in office for too much longer. He’s done what JD and the project 2025 people needed him to do and doesn’t have much use to them going forward. The only consolation that I see is that MAGAts hate JD and that will lead to chaos.

Bring in a friendly Senator.

It starts around 12:30

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but this has all the markings of a plan to oust Trump.

Vance can plausibly claim that he visited Murdoch to negotiate some sort of agreement for WSJ to back off the Epstein story, but he Rupert. Lachlan and the rest could easily be deciding the best way to remove Trump. Vance has none of Trump's charisma and can't maintain Trump's MAGA following, but FoxNews and Murdoch's papers like the NY Post and WSJ could help him by gradually turning on Trump and supporting Vance. FoxNews viewers and the whole rw media ecosystem would follow whatever FoxNews hosts tell them like Trump bad; Vance good.

It's always been in sort of the back of my mind that Trump would never finish a second term. Maybe that will turn out to be true.

Fox can literally mold the minds of those who watch it. How better to let the air out of Trump's devotees Vance takeover than to actually air all his clueless rants and fascist threats on the news. Then Vance is shown to be the savior and voila! Article 25 can pass without MAGA protest.

They just want concessions from Murdoch's WSJ and Fox to push for pro Magat propaganda.

becoming a huge embarrassment to the US that can no longer be covered up. The MAGA natives are restless; the hypnotic ruse is becoming unglued. Bad for business.

That Trump and Musk wrecked the federal government and its oversight functions was an added bonus, but the Apricot Hellbeast is now a liability to the wealthy. Thus, the Wall Street Journal story.

He has become a liability.

IOKIYA MAGA in personal service to King Doofus the pedo

with the knife.

Vance will NEVER have the cult appeal of Trump and that can only be a good thing!

There are no co-equal branches of government.

39 days ago, as wishstar has also noted, in reply #35.

https://nbcmontana.com/search?find=Vance%20Murdoch

if anything, on behalf of their UK readers.

has escaped the notice of the NBC affiliate in Butte, the Butte Montana Standard and the Associated Press.

The Independent is the sole source of the story of a second visit. It looks as if they misread the date of the June meeting. Both the NBC link and the Politico link in the story refer to a June meeting.

And good evening.

Obviously vance is setting up for a transfer of power once drumpf is deposed. The only question is how soon.

It is my opinion that this has been the plan since the 2024 campaign, elect drumpf by any means, fair or foul, mainly foul, and then promote vance, who was an unelectable national unknown.

Crazed conservative, mainly christian fascists, in congress and on the supreme court, and in the department of justice, have been expanding presidential power to allow this imbecile greater and great powers than any previous president once he is inserted into the position of president.

A big question is whether vance will be as bad as drumpf, or will he be worse?

"prince vance", anyone?

IMO Vance has all the personality of a dead clam. They must expect to control the next election by dubious means indeed.
He is definitely a face to put in front of Thiel, et al and their theocratic nightmare

Setting the stage for your good by. Don't think that secret r meeting was to praise you trump.

The dude's a sideshow freak. Would be hilarious even to see McDonald Trump whip up his congressional base to have him impeached.

Vance is Trump’s lap dog just like Pence was last time around. The world doesn’t operate like a spy novel. Vance is not popular and never will be.

This plays out like it currently is and in 2028 with Trump gone MAGATs crawl back under their rocks with no savior to follow and the Democrats clean up the mess until 2036 when the Republicans return to power and break things all over again. Lather rinse repeat.

... easier for them than keeping it going without the red hat whisperer.

I like to think Thiel and Yarvin et al aren't the kind of geniuses they think they are. I like to think, anyway,
And actually, I remember reading somewhere that even Yarvin doesn't think this is going to go the whole way.

I do think it's super important to prepare to meet every possible voter suppression tactic starting yesterday.

The rest of it, I don't know...

There is only so much benefit he can provide before it all turns to shit. The oligarchs want to own everything, but they don't want a shit pile.

"I come here to bury the ignoble Donald, not to praise him. He hath expelled many immigrants from home, whose legal costs drained the libs ...

He has bequeathed every American citizen the right to buy national park land, and to enjoy a statue of him on Mount Rushlimbaugh, once they pay to build it. "


And so on.

The Reich-wing media would shit cinder blocks for weeks!!

The WSJ, Fox, and Murdoch are in on an Epstein distraction from… Wait for it… Epstein.

In a manner consistent with picking the least terminal of afflictions to portray Trump as having, they sorted through what could be seen as being from the so-called Epstein Files for the biggest meh document they could find and make a big headline grabbing deal of it. The drawing described may be in poor taste, but it can be waved off as Trump being Trump. It has nothing to do with the accusations of pedophilia and human trafficking and may have even been provided by Trump himself.

After reading the answers below. I don't see him willing leaving office.

After leaving office, Donald Trump would face several potential consequences:
*Loss of Presidential Immunity: While he is president, the Supreme Court has granted him broad immunity for official acts. However, this immunity does not extend to actions taken in a private capacity and ends once he leaves office. This means he could potentially face prosecution for alleged crimes committed both before and during his presidency, provided the actions are not covered by the immunity he has received for official acts.
*Continuation of Criminal Cases: The Supreme Court's ruling on presidential immunity has delayed, but not necessarily ended, federal criminal cases against him, particularly the election interference case led by Special Counsel Jack Smith. Smith has argued that charges could still proceed if they focus on actions taken in a private capacity as a candidate, rather than in an official capacity as president. However, the statute of limitations could pose a challenge in some cases, potentially expiring on some charges in 2026 or 2027.
*Exposure to Civil Lawsuits: Trump is currently facing numerous civil lawsuits, and leaving office would remove any protection offered by the presidency in these cases. The nature of these lawsuits varies, ranging from challenges to his administration's executive orders and policies (like immigration restrictions and policies related to diversity and inclusion) to lawsuits against media outlets and individuals he believes have harmed him. Some of these lawsuits have already been allowed to proceed by courts.
*Continued Political Activity: It's widely expected that Trump would remain an active force in American politics, potentially continuing to hold rallies and express his views on current events. He may also seek to influence the Republican party's future direction. Some experts speculate about potential attempts to bypass the 22nd Amendment's term limits through unconventional means, though the constitutionality of such actions is highly debated.
*Potential Legal Actions Against Opponents: There are reports and suggestions that, if Trump were to return to office or exert significant influence, he might pursue investigations or legal action against those he views as his political adversaries, including members of the Special Counsel's office.
*****In summary, leaving office would likely trigger a new phase in Trump's legal battles, as the protections of the presidency would no longer shield him from prosecution for alleged crimes committed in a private capacity and civil lawsuits. However, the specific outcomes of these cases are uncertain and subject to ongoing legal proceedings and potential appeals.

moves to Gulf state with a no-extradition treaty, and rots away.

He will resign for "business reasons."

real work/trouble begins.

can control vance, and if given the opportunity I have no doubt vance will gladly oblige.

There are a lot of forces destroying our country.