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BumRushDaShow

(156,824 posts)
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:00 AM Saturday

Trump admin and Catholic priests secure victory against child abuse reporting law that would violate the confidentiality

Source: Law & Crime

Jul 18th, 2025, 4:26 pm


The Trump administration secured a victory for the confidentiality of the confessional booth as a federal judge temporarily blocked a recently-enacted anti-child abuse statute in Washington state.

In a 25-page order, U.S. District Judge David G. Estudillo, a Joe Biden appointee, issued a preliminary injunction that keeps mandatory reporting legislation passed this year from going into effect. Absent the court's order, SB 5375 would have become operative on July 27.

The law requires "any member of the clergy" who "has reasonable cause to believe that a child has suffered abuse or neglect" to "report such incident, or cause a report to be made, to the proper law enforcement agency." This directive updates a pre-existing law that applies to a large swathe of job titles like social workers, school personnel, nurses, law enforcement officers, psychologists, and more.

The plaintiffs – led by Paul D. Etienne, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Seattle – sued to enjoin the law in late May. Their 46-page original petition alleged a host of First Amendment violations – as well as violations of the 14th Amendment's guarantee of equal protection. The U.S. Department of Justice joined the fray with a motion to intervene in late June, specifically challenging the law in terms of its application to information learned in the confessional booth.

Read more: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/clergy-were-explicitly-singled-out-trump-admin-and-catholic-priests-secure-victory-against-child-abuse-reporting-law-that-would-violate-the-confidentiality-of-confessional/



Full headline: 'Clergy were explicitly singled out': Trump admin and Catholic priests secure victory against child abuse reporting law that would violate the confidentiality of confessional

Link to ORDER (PDF viewer) - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26002525-etienne-v-ferguson-order/

Link to ORDER (PDF) - https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/26002525/etienne-v-ferguson-order.pdf
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Trump admin and Catholic priests secure victory against child abuse reporting law that would violate the confidentiality (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Saturday OP
How are they being singled out? As a healthcare worker, I am a mandatory reporter. Teachers are mandatory reporters tulipsandroses Saturday #1
Religion, power, money allows you to commit as many crimes as you want. Irish_Dem Saturday #4
All other clergy are mandatory reporters too JT45242 Saturday #5
Because according to the ruling... SickOfTheOnePct Saturday #8
I believe mgardener Saturday #11
They are using their confession process to be unaccountable IbogaProject Saturday #14
Tulips! popsdenver Saturday #19
There is not... SickOfTheOnePct Saturday #20
It applies to mgardener Saturday #21
Because Catholic Priests take a code of honor to never tell anyone about what sinners confess to them in private Polybius Saturday #29
So Paul D. Etienne, Archbishop of Seattle.. Permanut Saturday #2
Catholic priests allowed to be complicit in sexual assault of minors. Irish_Dem Saturday #3
Why not kkmarie Saturday #13
The church used the First Amendment kkmarie Saturday #6
Agree 100% that Pope Leo won't be supporting MAGA... SickOfTheOnePct Saturday #17
The Catholic Church... SickOfTheOnePct Saturday #18
Is "let the children suffer" a Bible verse? Vinca Saturday #7
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing 2na fisherman Saturday #9
It will soon be a violation Icanthinkformyself Saturday #10
Because of the fifth amendment no one has to speak to the government about any possible crimes they committed. Jacson6 Saturday #15
Priests hear the confessions of other priests, and then it's "sealed by the confessional" FakeNoose Saturday #12
more RWRE exemptions Nigrum Cattus Saturday #16
The timing of this is certainly...interesting. They're being rather bold by going out of their way to protect sexual Karasu Saturday #22
Well... SickOfTheOnePct Saturday #23
Of course they do. Sexual abusers need to support each other! travelingthrulife Saturday #24
Not to be glib, but didn't Trump post something in passing not long ago that... the nelm Saturday #25
Yeah, not everyone can afford millions to keep people quiet bucolic_frolic Saturday #26
Left that religion 50 years ago over their hypocrisy Ritabert Saturday #27
This administration is hell-bent on abusing children and truthisfreedom Saturday #28
Thats the problem its a free pass for them Historic NY Saturday #30

tulipsandroses

(7,689 posts)
1. How are they being singled out? As a healthcare worker, I am a mandatory reporter. Teachers are mandatory reporters
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:09 AM
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Heck in some states, ordinary citizens are required to report suspected abuse.

Irish_Dem

(72,465 posts)
4. Religion, power, money allows you to commit as many crimes as you want.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:25 AM
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The rest of us have to follow the law.

JT45242

(3,491 posts)
5. All other clergy are mandatory reporters too
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 06:10 AM
Saturday

I volunteer at a protestant church camp. We go through training every other year as mandatory reporters. All the clergy as well even though they must go thru the training to get and maintain standing.

Child abuse should never be allowed to be covered up.

But as Jimmy Carr says about the Pope, any Pope...he is the king of the pedos

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,982 posts)
8. Because according to the ruling...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:35 AM
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…within a few days of passing this law, they passed another law that expands the attorney-client privilege for the same offenses by including (sounds like) law professors who are working cases with clients.

The ruling does not apply to any knowledge gained outside of the confessional during an actual confession - plaintiffs didn’t challenge that, and such reporting is still required.

mgardener

(2,102 posts)
11. I believe
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:09 AM
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That the law would include anything said to a priest in confession.

I'm sure a lot of sex abuse has been covered up under the seal of confession.

IbogaProject

(4,663 posts)
14. They are using their confession process to be unaccountable
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:45 AM
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This is disgusting. They should be ashamed of them selves covering up for violent criminals instead of just letting them face justice early on and reducing repeat crimes.

popsdenver

(27 posts)
19. Tulips!
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:28 PM
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Damn Straight!!!!!!!!!!!

All because of a Dr. here in Colorado by the Name of Henry Kempe who in the late 60's authored The Battered Child Syndrome.
He was a Professor of Pediatrics at CU Medical School and implemented laws here in Colorado that spread across the entire nation.

Previous to those laws, if a teacher, doctor, etc reported child abuse, they would almost always get sued by the parent, and the parent would most often win.
Kempe's influence caused the laws to be changed to where a Dr., Teacher, etc could be criminally charged for NOT reporting suspected child abuse.
Not only that, if they reported child abuse, they were immune from being sued.

After these Catholic priests behavior being documented these past decades, I can sure as hell see why they wouldn't want these laws to apply to them.......The Boy Scout leaders will be next, and then the children's team's coaches, etc etc etc.....

Polybius

(20,535 posts)
29. Because Catholic Priests take a code of honor to never tell anyone about what sinners confess to them in private
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:18 PM
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Catholic law mandates that they be expunged from Priesthood if they tell anyone. It's been a while, but I believe they can't even tell another Priest.

Permanut

(7,329 posts)
2. So Paul D. Etienne, Archbishop of Seattle..
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:11 AM
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Is suing for the right to keep silent about child abuse.

Got it.

kkmarie

(271 posts)
6. The church used the First Amendment
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:00 AM
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The church used the first amendment to get the IRS ruling that not being able to endorse candidates or speak politics is against their First Amendment rights.

Then the church used it again to fight against the law that made it mandatory to report child abuse etc. And the court sided with the church.

This is just sickening.

On the bright side Pope Leo IS the catholic church. I'm 💯 certain Pope Leo won't be supporting any magas.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,982 posts)
17. Agree 100% that Pope Leo won't be supporting MAGA...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:39 PM
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...but 100% guarantee that he supports this ruling.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,982 posts)
18. The Catholic Church...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:42 PM
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...did not push to change the IRS rules about endorsing political parties and/or candidates, and says that they will continue with the no endorsement policy.

https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/catholic-church-maintains-its-stance-not-endorsing-or-opposing-political-candidates

2na fisherman

(36 posts)
9. Wolves in Sheep's Clothing
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:22 AM
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So is a priest still permitted to give a child a benediction in the rectory?

Jacson6

(1,435 posts)
15. Because of the fifth amendment no one has to speak to the government about any possible crimes they committed.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:23 PM
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These are basically witnesses to a crime, so they shouldn't be exempt.

Karasu

(1,640 posts)
22. The timing of this is certainly...interesting. They're being rather bold by going out of their way to protect sexual
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:44 PM
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predators at a time where sexual predators are very much at the forefront of awareness.

For reasons they know full well.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,982 posts)
23. Well...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:02 PM
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...there would have been no need to defend the secrecy of the confessional until a law mandating that they break the secrecy was enacted, which was May 7 of this year, and the lawsuit was filed on May 29.

the nelm

(119 posts)
25. Not to be glib, but didn't Trump post something in passing not long ago that...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:10 PM
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with an image of him as Pope?

bucolic_frolic

(51,502 posts)
26. Yeah, not everyone can afford millions to keep people quiet
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:13 PM
Saturday

so it's good to have someone experienced in the genre go to bat for you.

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