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pnwmom

(109,978 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:18 PM Friday

Tulsi Gabbard calls for Obama to be prosecuted over 2016 election claims

Source: The Guardian

Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, has called for Barack Obama and former senior US national security officials to be prosecuted after accusing them of a “treasonous conspiracy” intended to show that Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential election win was due to Russian interference.

She said Obama and senior officials in his administration had “[laid] the groundwork for … a years-long coup” against Trump after his victory over Hillary Clinton by “manufacturing intelligence” to suggest that Russia had tried to influence the election. That included using a dossier prepared by a British intelligence analyst, Christopher Steele, that they knew to be unreliable, Gabbard claimed.

The post-election intelligence estimates contrasted with findings reached before the election, which indicated that Russia probably was not trying to interfere.

In extraordinary comments calling for prosecutions, she added: “The information we are releasing today clearly shows there was a treasonous conspiracy in 2016 committed by officials at the highest level of our government.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/18/tulsi-gabbard-obama-2016-election-russia



Remember when she was running as a Democrat?
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Tulsi Gabbard calls for Obama to be prosecuted over 2016 election claims (Original Post) pnwmom Friday OP
They know how to play the ill informed MAGA minions like a fiddle; D. Spaulding Friday #1
They have to accuse others of treasonous conspiracy to cover up MadameButterfly Saturday #21
Winner, winner odins folly Sunday #36
Aren't these dumbfucks still "investigating" 2020? Now they want to go back even farther? Oy. Karasu Friday #2
Desperately seeking attention Raven123 Friday #3
Desperately seeking distractions for a child raper Captain Zero Friday #9
Despicable. A long-time Putin mouthpiece. She's manufacturing bullshit to please Trump. emulatorloo Friday #4
The truth is the best defense against nonsense. bucolic_frolic Friday #5
And yet, the Epstein story is still in the news. jls4561 Friday #6
Former President Obama is immune to prosecution for any official acts that he performed during his presidency. Linda ladeewolf Friday #7
Good point! nt pnwmom Friday #8
And besides that - Statute of Limitations Captain Zero Friday #10
Can they get around that by retroactive impeachment? 0rganism Friday #12
When I see this it just confirms the Trump Epstein even more JI7 Friday #11
This has to be one of the biggest examples ever of making shit up out of nothing Wiz Imp Friday #13
Hmmm... GiqueCee Saturday #24
Absolutely. I've read some of it and it's saying Russia didn't change votes underpants Saturday #25
Sorry but the Steele Dossier was funded by Democratic groups; see snot Saturday #31
Gabbard's document is pure garbage. Hell, it even refers to the "Deep State" Wiz Imp Saturday #32
Epstein Red Mountain Friday #14
Look! Look! It's Halley's Comet! thought crime Saturday #34
Turncoat Tulsi is doing her darndest to get back on the Orange Fascist's good side after... LudwigPastorius Friday #15
yep. she wasn't included in meetings after that so now she has to suck off the old deflated orleans Friday #16
As i remember Obama didn't say jsck about Figarosmom Friday #17
Go for it orangecrush Friday #18
Tulsi's idea of treason BGRD Saturday #19
I don't recall President Obama saying anything about the 2016 election and Russian interference - cab67 Saturday #20
Immunity? But of course. twodogsbarking Saturday #22
Be careful what you wish for... GiqueCee Saturday #23
She's the high school girl --or boy -- who would sell their soul to sit at the cool kid's table. /nt artemisia1 Saturday #26
She's seriously deranged. Dave Bowman Saturday #27
DOJ will arrest Obama and other high-level Democrats and then Eliot Rosewater Saturday #28
Our human intelligence sources must be completely dry WSHazel Saturday #29
Can you imagine how nervous they must be? Red Mountain Saturday #30
Team Russia's The Wizard Saturday #33
Investigate her russian-asset carcass for tainted foreign bribe money she's received. mpcamb 17 hrs ago #40
Knows otherwise and still playing opposite game anyway? Brainfodder Sunday #35
And now, the Show Trials maxsolomon 17 hrs ago #37
They really want the conversation on anything except Epstein. Torchlight 17 hrs ago #38
Attempted payback for Obama expelling 35 Russian diplomats for hacking in 2016 wishstar 17 hrs ago #39

D. Spaulding

(320 posts)
1. They know how to play the ill informed MAGA minions like a fiddle;
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:23 PM
Friday

distract them with another phony conspiracy. The rubes will hop on board right away.

MadameButterfly

(3,287 posts)
21. They have to accuse others of treasonous conspiracy to cover up
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:06 AM
Saturday

their own. Then when we say it, it sounds like both sides are the same.

Karasu

(1,640 posts)
2. Aren't these dumbfucks still "investigating" 2020? Now they want to go back even farther? Oy.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:25 PM
Friday

Captain Zero

(8,145 posts)
9. Desperately seeking distractions for a child raper
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:41 PM
Friday

While 1k FBI employees are working to expunge Trump's name from the Epstein Files.

Linda ladeewolf

(972 posts)
7. Former President Obama is immune to prosecution for any official acts that he performed during his presidency.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:33 PM
Friday

Captain Zero

(8,145 posts)
10. And besides that - Statute of Limitations
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:44 PM
Friday

Not to mention any discovery would show what Trump was doing with the Russians.

0rganism

(25,249 posts)
12. Can they get around that by retroactive impeachment?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 07:03 PM
Friday

That'd be a hard pill for some of the GOP caucus to swallow, but I think they'll try it if they can. After all, the SCOTUS clearly intended immunity only for our freshly-designated monarchy, of which Obama cannot be considered part...

Wiz Imp

(6,078 posts)
13. This has to be one of the biggest examples ever of making shit up out of nothing
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 07:24 PM
Friday

Supposedly the foundation of this is the Steele Dossier. The Steele Dossier was paid for by the ultra right wing Washington Free Beacon. Conveniently being ignored is much of the contents of the Steele Dossier have proven to be True. Some of the contents have remained unproven, but has anything been definitively proven false? The Russian source of the Dossier was acquitted of lying to the FBI. Add in the massive amount of information in the Mueller Report which confirmed the Russian interference in the election, and you have a totally fabricated fake charge by Gabbard.

GiqueCee

(2,572 posts)
24. Hmmm...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:39 AM
Saturday

... Isn't bringing false charges a felony itself?

Ya see, Tulsi, when you're already in a hole, the point is to stop digging. Or just say, fuck it, and pull it in after you.

underpants

(191,537 posts)
25. Absolutely. I've read some of it and it's saying Russia didn't change votes
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:41 AM
Saturday

which no one has claimed. They did flood social media in favor of Trump and got personal information to specifically target certain areas and demographics.

I’m not sure how they think Obama did this. He was POTUS so I’m sure it’s just the presence of his name on documents.

It’s Tulsi freaking Gabbard for crying out loud

snot

(11,207 posts)
31. Sorry but the Steele Dossier was funded by Democratic groups; see
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:52 PM
Saturday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier ; "the Associated Press (AP) contributed to confusion about its funding..., so the AP posted a correction the next day: "Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it."[53]"[53] (citations omitted)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/ : "Federal election regulators fined Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee earlier this month for not properly disclosing the money they spent on controversial opposition research that led to the infamous Trump-Russia [Steele] dossier. ... More than $1 million flowed from the Clinton campaign and DNC to the law firm Perkins Coie, which then hired the opposition research company Fusion GPS. That company later hired Steele and asked him to use his overseas contacts to dig up dirt about Trump’s ties to Russia."

Also, it does not appear to me that many people here have actually read the info accompanying Gabbard's announcement; for that, see https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/DIG/DIG-Russia-Hoax-Memo-and-Timeline_revisited.pdf .

Imho there are many and far better grounds for condemning Trump than the "Russiagate" theory; e.g., he should have been impeached during his first term under the Emoluments clause.

As for Obama, I hope he will respond in a straightforward manner to explain the documents Gabbard is relying on and effectively dispute her charges.

Wiz Imp

(6,078 posts)
32. Gabbard's document is pure garbage. Hell, it even refers to the "Deep State"
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:21 PM
Saturday

If that doesn't tell you there is no actual substance to her accusations, then nothing will. The whole point of the document was that Russia didn't hack the voting as if that is the only way they could influence the election. The Obama administration never claimed they hacked the election. However, there is tons of proof of cyber activities by Russia to influence the election by targeting certain populations with disinformation and misinformation. There is absolutely no question that this happened.

But even if the allegations were true, how the fuck is that treason? The Obama administration claimed Russia interfered in the election which is proven 100% true. Obama never claimed that Trump won the election solely due to Russian interference. Meanwhile, in 2020, Trump claimed that the election was stolen which was 100% false and tried to steal the election himself by installing fake electors. And Gabbard claims Obama is the one guilty of Treason? It's a total fucking joke.

LudwigPastorius

(12,968 posts)
15. Turncoat Tulsi is doing her darndest to get back on the Orange Fascist's good side after...
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:27 PM
Friday

she contradicted him and testified that Iran wasn't building a nuke.

orleans

(36,266 posts)
16. yep. she wasn't included in meetings after that so now she has to suck off the old deflated
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:37 PM
Friday

douchebag so she can play government with all of them again. she's sad b/c none of the other fascists will sit with her at the lunch table.

way to go, tulsi

Figarosmom

(7,002 posts)
17. As i remember Obama didn't say jsck about
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:37 PM
Friday

Trump and Russia. He kept quiet about any investigation.

She's just doing this because trump wants to get rid of her and questioned her loyalty to him.

BGRD

(18 posts)
19. Tulsi's idea of treason
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:53 AM
Saturday

I wish someone questioning Tulsi in Congress would ask her a few questions in Russian. I bet she would answer in perfect Russian.So from Tulsi's point of view exposing Russian interference would be "treasonous". By that I mean treasonous to Russia. I don't think the US has any secrets from the Russians since she was made Director of Intelligence.

cab67

(3,440 posts)
20. I don't recall President Obama saying anything about the 2016 election and Russian interference -
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:55 AM
Saturday

but if he did, I'm fairly sure this won't happen. No one in the White House wants evidence for Russian interference brought forth in court.

GiqueCee

(2,572 posts)
23. Be careful what you wish for...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:34 AM
Saturday

... Tulsi, you evil little witch. There is a curious thing in our legal system called, "Discovery". You can bet your bottom that Dear Leader ain't gonna like what could become a matter of public record in that process.

artemisia1

(1,105 posts)
26. She's the high school girl --or boy -- who would sell their soul to sit at the cool kid's table. /nt
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:48 AM
Saturday

Eliot Rosewater

(33,186 posts)
28. DOJ will arrest Obama and other high-level Democrats and then
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:01 PM
Saturday

Make it clear that we better ALL keep our fucking mouth shut if we don’t the military will come after us and we’ll go to prison too.

If only we could go back to 2016 and have a different approach to certain things, like unconditionally supporting our candidate.😡

Ask Stephen Colbert

WSHazel

(532 posts)
29. Our human intelligence sources must be completely dry
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:39 PM
Saturday

Why would any ally or spy share any information with us given how bizarre our intelligence leadership is?

Red Mountain

(2,145 posts)
30. Can you imagine how nervous they must be?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:55 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Knowing Gabbard might know who they are? Or Trump? How many would Trump give to Putin just to impress him?

mpcamb

(3,125 posts)
40. Investigate her russian-asset carcass for tainted foreign bribe money she's received.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:44 PM
17 hrs ago

Brainfodder

(7,531 posts)
35. Knows otherwise and still playing opposite game anyway?
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 02:49 AM
Sunday

Checks must be clearing?
Big money remains poison same as always.


Torchlight

(5,139 posts)
38. They really want the conversation on anything except Epstein.
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:23 PM
17 hrs ago

Gabbard is a soap opera villain suddenly demanding a congressional hearing—dramatic, meritless, and deeply unserious. Next she’ll be indicting Abraham Lincoln for not warning us about TikTok.

wishstar

(5,739 posts)
39. Attempted payback for Obama expelling 35 Russian diplomats for hacking in 2016
Mon Jul 21, 2025, 04:37 PM
17 hrs ago

"Mr. Obama expelled the diplomats, saying they were really spies, and ordered new sanctions on Russian spy agencies for alleged Russian hacking of political sites during the presidential election.

The State Department said Sunday that the 35 Russian diplomats, along with their family members, have left the United States.

Mr. Obama also shuttered two Russian compounds in Maryland and New York. The U.S. said the two Cold War-era estates were being used for intelligence activities."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/35-russian-diplomats-ordered-out-by-president-obama-depart-us-state-department-says/

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