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BumRushDaShow

(157,323 posts)
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:22 PM Jul 4

Trump says he had 'never heard' Shylock as an anti-semitic term after using it at rally

Source: CNN Politics

Updated 10:07 AM EDT, Fri July 4, 2025


CNN — President Donald Trump said early Friday that he wasn’t aware that some people view the word “Shylock” as antisemitic after using the term during a rally to decry amoral money lenders. “I’ve never heard it that way. To me, Shylock is somebody that’s a money lender at high rates,” Trump told reporters after getting off Air Force One. “I’ve never heard it that way, you view it differently than me. I’ve never heard that.” Trump was arriving back in Washington after an event in Iowa marking the kick-off to nationwide celebrations marking the country’s 250th anniversary next year.

In his speech, he used the word when touting aspects of the major domestic policy bill that had been approved by Congress a few hours earlier. “Think of that: no death tax, no estate tax, no going to the banks and borrowings from in some cases a fine banker. And in some cases, Shylocks and bad people,” he said during his event in Des Moines. “They took away a lot of, a lot of family. They destroyed a lot of families, but we did the opposite.”

The name “Shylock” derives from the name of the antagonist in William Shakespeare’s “The Merchant of Venice.” Shylock, a Jew, was a ruthless moneylender in the play, and he’s remembered for demanding a “pound of flesh” from the merchant Antonio if he failed to repay a loan.

The Anti-Defamation League condemned Trump’s use of the word Friday morning. “The term ‘Shylock’ evokes a centuries-old antisemitic trope about Jews and greed that is extremely offensive and dangerous. President Trump’s use of the term is very troubling and irresponsible,” the organization wrote in a statement on X. “It underscores how lies and conspiracies about Jews remain deeply entrenched in our country. Words from our leaders matter and we expect more from the President of the United States.”

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/04/politics/trump-iowa-rally-antisemitic-term

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Trump says he had 'never heard' Shylock as an anti-semitic term after using it at rally (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 4 OP
Up next: "I can't be an anti-Semite (what I said wasn't anti-Semitic) because I have a Jewish kid/grandkids." Behind the Aegis Jul 4 #1
Soon he'll be saying, " n----- is a racist term? Whoever heard of that?" unblock Jul 4 #2
Yep. Every racist name for every ethnic group he hates-- tanyev Jul 4 #52
Think about this... Montauk6 Jul 6 #67
He doesn't know E. Jean Carroll... 2MuchNoise Jul 4 #3
But he has the highest IQ and knows more than the Generals! chowder66 Jul 4 #8
Yet he is a Stable Genius who knows more than his generals. Prof. Toru Tanaka Jul 4 #14
Trump really never knew Epstein but..."heard that he liked girls on the young side" Bengus81 Jul 4 #54
Can we all admit he knows absolutely nothing about anything? Like a 3 year old. sinkingfeeling Jul 4 #4
"I didn't mean it antisemitically; I meant it as a very common antisemitic trope" RockRaven Jul 4 #5
"... deeply entrenched in our country." Deeply entrenched in trump. It's not like his antisemitism is new. mpcamb Jul 4 #6
Has the Anti-Defamation League Submariner Jul 4 #7
Are they really 88 feet tall? yardwork Jul 4 #12
Trump installs pair of 88-foot-tall new flag poles at the White House Submariner Jul 4 #15
Whoa!! Why hasn't anybody talked about THAT?! yardwork Jul 4 #16
I can tell you why. Well actually, you kind of already answered it on the other thread about this topic. Behind the Aegis Jul 4 #41
So Chuck Schumer is lazy and silent? Do you have sources for this? Hekate Jul 4 #43
No source other than my own observation Submariner Jul 4 #59
He's not my Senator, but I hear him speak out from time to time. I see more of Schiff & Padilla,.. Hekate Jul 4 #60
Does anybody think he ever read "The Merchant of Venice"? Ritabert Jul 4 #9
I'd bet good money that he not only never read it, MLWR Jul 4 #11
Bingo! Ritabert Jul 4 #21
Trump thinks Shakespeare was a character on Star Trek.... Jack Valentino Jul 4 #62
Doesn't matter. That term means "Jewish moneylender." yardwork Jul 4 #13
But it shows how uninformed he us Ritabert Jul 4 #22
I think both are correct. He's utterly uninformed but not about that. yardwork Jul 4 #24
He's never even *watched* it. RockRaven Jul 4 #18
He's seriously uninformed Ritabert Jul 4 #23
We can be sure he's never read "The Merchant of Venice" or anything else by Shakespeare, Ocelot II Jul 4 #26
If he knows the term he's trying to hide his antisemitism Ritabert Jul 4 #34
It's such a common trope even grade school dropouts know the term, just like they know the N-word Hekate Jul 4 #44
Then he's feigning ignorance Ritabert Jul 4 #48
What else would you expect? Hekate Jul 4 #53
Well, I don't remember ever hearing that term in my life... Jack Valentino Jul 4 #63
It's casual, based on "everybody knows" that "Jews are tight-fisted" ... Hekate Jul 5 #65
I am familiar with that 'concept', just not the term 'Shylock'... Jack Valentino Jul 5 #66
Oh, if only there were some well-educated, competent aides to proofread his speeches and check stuff like this ! eppur_se_muova Jul 4 #10
"Troubling and irresponsible," the @ADL responds to @POTUS using the trope 'Shylock.' LetMyPeopleVote Jul 4 #17
trump, again benefitting from being a dumbfuck and having an incompetent staff. (nt) Paladin Jul 4 #19
Trump is uninformed, unsophisticated, unread, and under educated. He also lies. Joinfortmill Jul 4 #20
I actually believe Trump this time VMA131Marine Jul 4 #25
It's not really about Shakespeare, though. AloeVera Jul 4 #27
I have heard "Shylock" used to refer to a non-Jewish moneylender Retrograde Jul 4 #29
That use is meant to IMPLY the non-Jew is acting like a Jew. Behind the Aegis Jul 4 #33
Exactly Wiz Imp Jul 4 #45
He always plays dumb whenever he's called on his bullshit JoseBalow Jul 4 #28
And you know what? Trumpies don't care. CTyankee Jul 4 #30
Cueball Miller probably whispered it in his ear. Grokenstein Jul 4 #31
The Orthodox Jewish community that supports him Bluestocking Jul 4 #32
If so, it's for the same reason Evangelical Christians & Orthodox Jews agree on certain things... Hekate Jul 4 #51
Probably also his favorite daughter (and convert to Judaism) and her husband Jared. tanyev Jul 4 #58
He's lying. N/t MrsMatt Jul 4 #35
While I don't usually believe a word Trump says, I do believe he could very well be totally ignorant of the origin of Martin68 Jul 4 #36
Not a chance. He knows full and well that it is antisemitic. Wiz Imp Jul 4 #46
I've been saying for 10 years SCantiGOP Jul 4 #37
To be fair, Trump is a simple and incurious man who never considers context or consequences. Beartracks Jul 4 #38
BS. It was a purposeful dog whistle. Wiz Imp Jul 4 #47
He probably didn't know but he says far worse things when he does know. Ya know. twodogsbarking Jul 4 #39
There is absolutely no question that he knows it's antisemitic Wiz Imp Jul 4 #49
Has no problem playing stupid. Sneederbunk Jul 4 #40
When I was growing up in New Jersey in the 1960s and early 1970s Bluejeans Jul 4 #42
I grew up in NY Henry203 Jul 4 #55
See post #33 Wiz Imp Jul 4 #50
I'm sure Eloon, DJT's on-off pal, is zig-heiling secretly Jrose Jul 4 #56
Bullshit. He knew. Solly Mack Jul 4 #57
I don't recall ever hearing the word before, but I never read "The Merchant of Venice" ..... Jack Valentino Jul 4 #61
The sad thing is that could actually be true, but... ananda Jul 4 #64

Behind the Aegis

(55,551 posts)
1. Up next: "I can't be an anti-Semite (what I said wasn't anti-Semitic) because I have a Jewish kid/grandkids."
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:24 PM
Jul 4

I hear that excuse a lot!

tanyev

(47,281 posts)
52. Yep. Every racist name for every ethnic group he hates--
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 05:43 PM
Jul 4
That’s just what they used to be called. It wasn’t racist.


Montauk6

(9,175 posts)
67. Think about this...
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 07:02 AM
Jul 6

At THIS point, he can use that word and CNN and the NY Times will just say, "President Donald J. Trump made controversial remarks today..."

Faux Noose and the Flying Monkey Reich Wing Noise Machine will say, "The President made remarks triggering certain groups though they have themselves used the term more often."

David Brooks will say, "What the President said was outright disgusting, and regrettably, this is a result of the tone and rhetoric we're now seeing far too often out of Washington."

2MuchNoise

(332 posts)
3. He doesn't know E. Jean Carroll...
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:33 PM
Jul 4

He doesn't know Kamala Harris is Black, he doesn't know there are Medicaid cuts in his flabby bill, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, he doesn't know...

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,740 posts)
14. Yet he is a Stable Genius who knows more than his generals.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:03 PM
Jul 4

The man who knows everything also knows nothing!

Bengus81

(9,079 posts)
54. Trump really never knew Epstein but..."heard that he liked girls on the young side"
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 05:46 PM
Jul 4

On and on and on with the fucking BS.....

mpcamb

(3,131 posts)
6. "... deeply entrenched in our country." Deeply entrenched in trump. It's not like his antisemitism is new.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:39 PM
Jul 4

Submariner

(13,029 posts)
7. Has the Anti-Defamation League
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:40 PM
Jul 4

Last edited Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:13 PM - Edit history (1)

commented yet about the symbolism of the purposely anti-semitic 88-foot heil hitler flag poles installed on the White House lawn to thrill his base, tiki-torch sissies, proud punks, J6 pardoned cop beaters, and likely most of the other 77 million racist scum that voted for that racist asshole?

I sue hope so, because Schumer has either gone silent, or is just too lazy to do the job anymore.

Behind the Aegis

(55,551 posts)
41. I can tell you why. Well actually, you kind of already answered it on the other thread about this topic.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 04:37 PM
Jul 4

"Jews get blamed for "complaining" about antisemitism and destroying universities." post #9

The first part of that sentence is one possible reason why the ADL wouldn't respond to something like that, especially without any proof. It would be one more way for people, not all on the right as witnessed here, to claim Jews are "crying wolf". Of course, anytime someone says something anti-Semitic, even if a right-wing nut job, there are those who weave and dodge and concern themselves MORE with why aren't these or those Jews condemning it.

It has become more and more obvious to me and several others, including true allies, like yourself, that anti-Semitism isn't the real problem, calling it out is!

(feel better! check out the recs I gave ya!)

Submariner

(13,029 posts)
59. No source other than my own observation
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 08:49 PM
Jul 4

of a senator who seems to show up once a week or so, and barely rebuts the daily litany of lies coming out of the trump rage machine. No daily rapid response team to rebut the lies, so the seemingly laid back attitude of Schumer's office is bothering the crap out of me.

Hekate

(98,680 posts)
60. He's not my Senator, but I hear him speak out from time to time. I see more of Schiff & Padilla,..
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 08:59 PM
Jul 4

…but that’s doubtless because they are my Senators and I am attuned to them.

MLWR

(431 posts)
11. I'd bet good money that he not only never read it,
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jul 4

but that he never even heard of it and has only a vague notion of who Wm Shakespeare was.

Jack Valentino

(2,881 posts)
62. Trump thinks Shakespeare was a character on Star Trek....
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:09 PM
Jul 4

'maybe the one with the pointy ears'

yardwork

(67,343 posts)
24. I think both are correct. He's utterly uninformed but not about that.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:32 PM
Jul 4

Trump is highly informed about bigoted jabs. They all are. Stupid ignorant smirking jeering fools but they know all the "clever" cracks about anybody remotely different from them.

RockRaven

(17,638 posts)
18. He's never even *watched* it.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:06 PM
Jul 4

No chance in hell he could sit through 2 hours of Shakespearean dialogue, for one.

Also, his excuse/explanation reveals that fact. The play has nothing to do with interest rates.

Ocelot II

(126,300 posts)
26. We can be sure he's never read "The Merchant of Venice" or anything else by Shakespeare,
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:11 PM
Jul 4

but the meaning behind the use of the name Shylock is so well-known that it's hard to believe he didn't know that character has long been the anti-semitic image of the greedy Jewish money-lender. Of course he knows; he just doesn't care.

Ritabert

(1,417 posts)
34. If he knows the term he's trying to hide his antisemitism
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:48 PM
Jul 4

...given his buddy Netanyahu wouldn't be too happy with him.

Hekate

(98,680 posts)
44. It's such a common trope even grade school dropouts know the term, just like they know the N-word
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 05:25 PM
Jul 4

Jack Valentino

(2,881 posts)
63. Well, I don't remember ever hearing that term in my life...
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:13 PM
Jul 4

maybe if I had ever hung around with some serious antisemitics I would have heard it, but I didn't and I didn't.

Now, I guess I am less "ill-informed"...

Hekate

(98,680 posts)
65. It's casual, based on "everybody knows" that "Jews are tight-fisted" ...
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 01:30 AM
Jul 5

It shows up in the damndest places. I was helping out an old friend with her estate sale, and some of the helpers were women I hadn’t met before. One said that sometimes buyers “try to Jew you down. “

She wasn’t saying that prospective buyers were of the Jewish faith. She was riffing on a commonly-held antisemitic trope that anyone looking for a bargain or wanting to dicker over a price was acting “like Jews,” who “everybody knows” are grasping and ungenerous in their dealings with others. And pushy, too.

That’s all.

Jack Valentino

(2,881 posts)
66. I am familiar with that 'concept', just not the term 'Shylock'...
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 03:25 AM
Jul 5

although Trump claimed he didn't know what it meant,
he then went on to perfectly describe what it apparently means,
didn't he...

eppur_se_muova

(39,545 posts)
10. Oh, if only there were some well-educated, competent aides to proofread his speeches and check stuff like this !
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 12:57 PM
Jul 4

How -- HOW -- did previous Presidents ever manage to deal with all these oddities and idiosyncrasies in the English language ?

Actually, I'm sure their speeches are full of stuff like this, it's just that nobody ever looks for them the same way they're always picking on Turnip.

VMA131Marine

(5,060 posts)
25. I actually believe Trump this time
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 01:51 PM
Jul 4

I’m sure he’s never read Shakespeare much less be able to understand it even if he did. He probably read the Cliff’s Notes.

AloeVera

(3,450 posts)
27. It's not really about Shakespeare, though.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:18 PM
Jul 4

It's about either being so ignorant as to not recognize an anti-semitic trope or knowing about it and using it nonetheless for nefarious reasons, like dog whistling to the anti-semites in his base. Either way it's bad for a president but the second is worse and I think that's what he's doing. Of course he is that stupid that the first option is plausible too.

Retrograde

(11,218 posts)
29. I have heard "Shylock" used to refer to a non-Jewish moneylender
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:23 PM
Jul 4

but that was on the TV show, "The Sopranos", in which one Italian-American character who was a loan shark was called a lady Shylock. But the characters on this show tended to be poorly educated, ignorant, very insular and usually couldn't look past the money aspect: for most people the term has anti-Semitic connotations.


Behind the Aegis

(55,551 posts)
33. That use is meant to IMPLY the non-Jew is acting like a Jew.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:41 PM
Jul 4

"He Jewed me on the price." or "He will Jew you down." don't mean the "he" is a Jew, but rather, "acts" like a Jew obsessed with money and getting a deal at any cost (a pound of flesh) .

JoseBalow

(8,024 posts)
28. He always plays dumb whenever he's called on his bullshit
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:20 PM
Jul 4

His shtick is old and tired, and everyone is on to it.

CTyankee

(66,658 posts)
30. And you know what? Trumpies don't care.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:26 PM
Jul 4

They know anti-semitic tropes; they've been using them for ages. With a wink and a nod....

Bluestocking

(197 posts)
32. The Orthodox Jewish community that supports him
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 02:37 PM
Jul 4

Will give him a pass on this. If a Dem had said that the right media would be calling for impeachment.

Hekate

(98,680 posts)
51. If so, it's for the same reason Evangelical Christians & Orthodox Jews agree on certain things...
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 05:40 PM
Jul 4

…like “restoration of the Biblical boundaries of Israel. “ The true goal is not of this world, but of the world-to-come. The goal is to fulfill the conditions of the prophecies that drive them, so that the Messiah will come (or come again) . They each believe God speaks to only them, so a bit of discomfort is not the issue. The Evangelicals have made it plain that any unconverted Jew will burn in Hell for eternity but are happy to work toward a common goal in the meanwhile. The Orthodox know that the Evangelicals are totally wrong, but they also know that they have great numbers and political power in the US.

Martin68

(26,227 posts)
36. While I don't usually believe a word Trump says, I do believe he could very well be totally ignorant of the origin of
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 03:17 PM
Jul 4

the name "Shylock." I also suspect he is anti-semitic.

SCantiGOP

(14,557 posts)
37. I've been saying for 10 years
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 03:26 PM
Jul 4

The problem the public has with evaluating trump is that the corruption is so staggering that it obscures just how ignorant he is.
I would love to see someone ask Trump if he had ever read, or was familiar with, The Merchant of Venice.

Beartracks

(14,019 posts)
38. To be fair, Trump is a simple and incurious man who never considers context or consequences.
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 03:39 PM
Jul 4

Given his social circles, he likely heard the word used in this manner during his formative years, but couldn't be bothered to put 2 and 2 together about where it came from.

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Bluejeans

(122 posts)
42. When I was growing up in New Jersey in the 1960s and early 1970s
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 05:01 PM
Jul 4

When I was growing up in New Jersey in the 1960s and early 1970s the terms "Shylock" and "Shy" referred to Mafia loan sharks and their extortionate interest rates (aka "the vig&quot ; not Jewish people.

I never heard those terms were antisemitic slurs until I read the news stories this morning.

Jrose

(1,476 posts)
56. I'm sure Eloon, DJT's on-off pal, is zig-heiling secretly
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 06:16 PM
Jul 4

in support of DJT's leaked slur.
DJT never did criticize Eloon for throwing Nazi salutes during his inaugural celebrations.

Jack Valentino

(2,881 posts)
61. I don't recall ever hearing the word before, but I never read "The Merchant of Venice" .....
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:06 PM
Jul 4

and I very much doubt that Trump has, either---
so I am very curious where he heard the word used--- !

Maybe from his staff, or his father


ananda

(32,659 posts)
64. The sad thing is that could actually be true, but...
Fri Jul 4, 2025, 10:53 PM
Jul 4

it's also true that it could've been inserted in the speech
without Trump's knowledge.

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