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Polybius

(20,910 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:07 PM Jun 2025

Fetterman Calls California Protests 'Anarchy' as He Criticizes Democrats

Source: NY Times

Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania warned fellow Democrats that they could face a political backlash if they were seen as failing to sufficiently condemn acts of violence by protesters in Southern California, which local officials have said were limited.

On Monday, he posted a photo on social media of a car engulfed in flames and a masked, shirtless person waving a Mexican flag. He suggested that Democrats — many of whom have in fact criticized acts of destruction or violence — should go further in denouncing unruly demonstrations.

“This is anarchy and true chaos,” he wrote. “My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement.”

Local officials in California have described the violence as limited, under control and exacerbated by President Trump’s decision to federalize the National Guard and deploy troops over the governor’s objection.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/10/us/politics/fetterman-la-protests-anarchy.html






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Fetterman Calls California Protests 'Anarchy' as He Criticizes Democrats (Original Post) Polybius Jun 2025 OP
Poor fetterman. He's getting his facts twisted. Trump started this! IcyPeas Jun 2025 #1
And Why would that be?.. I know he is... so Clear but Cha Jun 2025 #70
Pennsylvania, BonnieJW Jun 2025 #77
Fetterman should try to keep up. It's isolated small incidents within a large peaceful protest. Vinca Jun 2025 #2
I hate to admit it, but... He's right Tim S Jun 2025 #3
Enjoy your stay. Basso8vb Jun 2025 #8
yeah. never mind ICE and NYPD putting people in the hospital. protect the liberty of the car. travelingthrulife Jun 2025 #9
Yes ... interesting TIME magazine article about that linked below in this thread. rog Jun 2025 #20
The protestors did not do that. The looters in the late afternoon/evening are the ones doing that -- and we LauraInLA Jun 2025 #12
I am NOT condoning property destruction, but you should read this TIME magazine article ... rog Jun 2025 #18
I still don't like it RedArkGuy Jun 2025 #37
I agree PatSeg Jun 2025 #40
I agree with you (please note my reply title). rog Jun 2025 #44
...some of whom set self-driving Waymo cars on fire... quaint Jun 2025 #21
Right about what, being rethug posing as a Democrat? brush Jun 2025 #28
I hate to admit it, but... He's wrong and so are you. Dave Bowman Jun 2025 #29
I don't agree. Nonnia Bisnez Jun 2025 #32
Enjoy your stay as well. Basso8vb Jun 2025 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author Nonnia Bisnez Jun 2025 #38
BFD Prof. Toru Tanaka Jun 2025 #75
The problem is this. RedArkGuy Jun 2025 #36
Respectfully, people here hate these agitators that pull this bullshit but it happens during major protests. chowder66 Jun 2025 #41
Take off VanceFan Jun 2025 #45
Which was the real john fetterman? Marthe48 Jun 2025 #4
I think the stroke affected his critical thinking skills. Nonnia Bisnez Jun 2025 #39
Good question! SheltieLover Jun 2025 #52
And just who is failing chelsea0011 Jun 2025 #5
Agreed, he needs to self-deport himself to the rethug party already and stop posing as a Democrat. brush Jun 2025 #30
Yes, Fetterman. It's t****'s anarchy and chaos. truthisfreedom Jun 2025 #6
He's lost the high moral ground by misrepresenting his party. chia Jun 2025 #7
Is there a process for removing a sitting Senator is PA? LauraInLA Jun 2025 #10
There are no recalls for US Senators Polybius Jun 2025 #25
Only if Satan calls him home rpannier Jun 2025 #63
I will donate to whomever primaries this lost soul. Basso8vb Jun 2025 #11
He needs to resign Owens Jun 2025 #13
Won't go that far. But, it is important for Democratic Mayor and Governor handle LA properly. Think they are doing that. Silent Type Jun 2025 #14
He just needs to hold onto that job wolfie001 Jun 2025 #15
Don't forget ya'll wanted him to work... JCMach1 Jun 2025 #16
Even his own staff question his stability PortTack Jun 2025 #17
So, was it the stroke, or was he just cosplaying progressivism to gain power...? regnaD kciN Jun 2025 #19
who did any of this ? Nigrum Cattus Jun 2025 #22
Sadly the anarchists are lumped in with peaceful protesters by the media .... groundloop Jun 2025 #23
Just fucking LEAVE, Fetterman. Paladin Jun 2025 #24
I have more respect for Manchin than I have for this guy. Autumn Jun 2025 #26
And? Jirel Jun 2025 #27
Re: Fetterman GB_RN Jun 2025 #31
yes i feel sorry et tu Jun 2025 #33
Yes, I think the anarchy is inside Fetterman's brain. delisen Jun 2025 #67
He won't even show up to committee meetings or floor votes. Mawspam2 Jun 2025 #34
Ha! Great bsky post chowder66 Jun 2025 #42
He's not the same man since his stroke annielion Jun 2025 #43
F him he needs to resign or became a repuke ! kimbutgar Jun 2025 #46
Fetterman: Release your brain scans ... Tarzanrock Jun 2025 #47
It is FETTERMAN who loses the moral high ground... dchill Jun 2025 #48
He has got to go........ Butterflylady Jun 2025 #49
I am so sorry I ever donated to that campaign relayerbob Jun 2025 #50
If he continues JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #51
Yeah, I'm done with this clown johnnyfins Jun 2025 #53
Everyone has kacekwl Jun 2025 #54
What an astounding mistake we made throwing our collective support for this pathetic and mentally confused individual. msfiddlestix Jun 2025 #55
Ever wonder who Fetterman is trying to impress lately? mdbl Jun 2025 #56
Dump this ahole LPBBEAR Jun 2025 #57
Fetterman suffered a stroke . . . AverageOldGuy Jun 2025 #58
Ugh. nt hay rick Jun 2025 #59
I wish him the best of health as he continues to recover from his stroke Orrex Jun 2025 #60
Let him call up Joe Manchin and commiserate. hamsterjill Jun 2025 #61
Fetterman showing us his Truth. Believe him. Bread and Circuses Jun 2025 #62
A candidate further left than Fetterman PennRalphie Jun 2025 #64
Wow, that stroke must have killed 90% of his brain cells. BigmanPigman Jun 2025 #65
Poor Fetterman gopiscrap Jun 2025 #66
I'm done with him Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2025 #68
Does he think we are to sit on our feet Tree Lady Jun 2025 #69
I'm sorry, but I think poor Fetterman has become a fool Hekate Jun 2025 #71
I wonder if he's watching fox these days. He seems really dysfunctional. diane in sf Jun 2025 #72
tRump has gotten to him.... FarPoint Jun 2025 #73
clueless twodogsbarking Jun 2025 #74
Speak to the voters then. They chose the party that didn't have the moral high ground, your own words, John. ck4829 Jun 2025 #76
Senator Fetterman... GiqueCee Jun 2025 #78
Fetterman needs to resign and take care of his health. AllyCat Jun 2025 #79
Fetterman can go to hell, he has severe mental problems IrishBubbaLiberal Jun 2025 #80
Does he hit the Republicans ALSO on this? Brainfodder Jun 2025 #81
I watched the guy on live TV that stood bashing the vehicle with his skateboard, he is the Fox News doc03 Jun 2025 #82

Cha

(314,605 posts)
70. And Why would that be?.. I know he is... so Clear but
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:02 AM
Jun 2025

this is like the Twilight Zone. Why is he trying to Gaslight Dems!

So Weird!

Vinca

(52,737 posts)
2. Fetterman should try to keep up. It's isolated small incidents within a large peaceful protest.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:12 PM
Jun 2025

All California is saying is that they don't need the troops and they're turning the place into a police state.

Tim S

(44 posts)
3. I hate to admit it, but... He's right
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:14 PM
Jun 2025

Would you feel any better if someone set YOUR car on fire for a cause you believe in?

If you answered “Yes” then you might as well grab a flag of your choosing, start your car on fire and fight the good fight.

travelingthrulife

(3,350 posts)
9. yeah. never mind ICE and NYPD putting people in the hospital. protect the liberty of the car.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:19 PM
Jun 2025

My understanding is that these are driverless cars.

LauraInLA

(2,248 posts)
12. The protestors did not do that. The looters in the late afternoon/evening are the ones doing that -- and we
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:22 PM
Jun 2025

get them whenever our sports teams win a championship. It’s an endemic problem.

rog

(881 posts)
18. I am NOT condoning property destruction, but you should read this TIME magazine article ...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:38 PM
Jun 2025

This is a more complex, and possibly more nuanced, issue than you may think. They were not pulling citizens from cars and setting them on fire.

This is a long article, but it's interesting, and I thought was well worth the read. Here are a few excerpts, which are discussed in much more detail at the link below.

Why Waymo’s Self-Driving Cars Became a Target of Protesters in Los Angeles

Waymo, a robotaxi company, found itself at the center of the demonstrations against the Trump Administration’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids after a group of protesters over the weekend, according to the Los Angeles Times, approached a parked row of the autonomous vehicles and smashed their windows, slashed their tires, spray-painted them with anti-ICE slogans, and set them on fire.


Waymo is a subsidiary of Alphabet, Google’s parent company, and grew out of the Google Self-Driving Car project that began in 2009. It launched its robotaxi business in 2020 in limited markets, which grew to include Los Angeles in 2024.


While the company says its mission “is to be the world’s most trusted driver,” ... Waymo vehicles were involved in 696 accidents across the U.S. between 2021 and 2024, or about one accident every other day.


Waymo has also reportedly annoyed some people, including those who find self-driving vehicles to be an eyesore as well as locals where the vehicles routinely get stuck.


Waymo vehicles as well as other self-driving cars have previously been the target of vandals, particularly in California, where Waymo is headquartered. In January, a Waymo car was torn apart in Los Angeles. In February 2024, another Waymo car was smashed and set ablaze in San Francisco. And in July 2024, a man was charged with slashing the tires of 17 Waymo cars in San Francisco.


Some activists have also suggested that the burning of Waymo vehicles should garner less sympathy from onlookers.

“There are people on here saying it’s violent and domestic terrorism to set a Waymo car on fire,” racial justice organizer Samuel Sinyangwe posted on X. “A robot car? Are you going to demand justice for the robot dogs next? But not the human beings repeatedly shot with rubber bullets in the street? What kind of politics is this?”


Edited to add: Most, if not all, of the other 'fires' I saw on live feeds were just trash cans set on fire. Fire is always dramatic, especially burning cars.

RedArkGuy

(835 posts)
37. I still don't like it
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:46 PM
Jun 2025

There are legal and effective ways to oppose the use of Waymo cars that don't involve criminal property destruction and providing an excuse for the Trumpies to militarize the place.

PatSeg

(51,017 posts)
40. I agree
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:03 PM
Jun 2025

And this was certainly very bad timing. It just created a distraction and made the protests look more violent than they actually were. It sounds like perhaps someone(s) hijacked these protests for their own agenda.

rog

(881 posts)
44. I agree with you (please note my reply title).
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:39 PM
Jun 2025

I specifically said I did NOT condone destructive acts. So don't shoot the messenger here. I merely submitted what I still think is a very informative and in depth TIME magazine article. I thought it was very interesting reading the backstory on Waymo, and the point is, the protesters are not burning random citizens' cars, as the DU-er implied. Vandalizing Waymo cars appears not to be very far out of the ordinary.

But I agree ... this will be used by trump to characterize an insurrection, which is not good.

Once they get going, mobs are about as smart as their dumbest member.

 

Nonnia Bisnez

(90 posts)
32. I don't agree.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:15 PM
Jun 2025

But I support you expressing your opinion and sharing why you believe it. Your previous posts doesn't show you as a right wing troll. Some on this forum want to santion anyone who challenges the conventional wisdom.

Response to Basso8vb (Reply #35)

RedArkGuy

(835 posts)
36. The problem is this.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:37 PM
Jun 2025

His tweet/Xscretion makes it seem as though the entire protest is an act of destruction. That's no better than when his friends who support Trump call the protests a "riot." He makes no distinction between the vast majority of peaceful protesters and these few loons--many of which may be in the pay of the Republicans--destroying property and waving the Mexican flat.

In effect, this tweet/Xscretion is support for the Trump narrative.

chowder66

(11,332 posts)
41. Respectfully, people here hate these agitators that pull this bullshit but it happens during major protests.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:19 PM
Jun 2025

It sucks... but no one condones it. Protest leaders, government leaders, neighborhood leaders, law enforcement and citizens always plead for no violence and they always condemn it when it happens.

It may have never escalated to this level without ICE ripping people out of their places of business and grabbing anyone with melanin. Mix in the National Guard and voila, you have a bigger protest with easier cover for agitators and fringe elements.

Fetterman should have said what countless others have already said before him and that it is wrong and illegal for Trump to intervene and peaceful protests should continue without violence.

 

Nonnia Bisnez

(90 posts)
39. I think the stroke affected his critical thinking skills.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:57 PM
Jun 2025

A lot of his communications shows concrete thinking rather than nuanced abstract thinking. Just speculation on my part for the apparent change in his opinions.

chelsea0011

(10,174 posts)
5. And just who is failing
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:15 PM
Jun 2025

to speak out against violence? I haven’t heard one Democrat saying to burn it all down. This the kind of crap that Fetterman has been saying for too long,

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
30. Agreed, he needs to self-deport himself to the rethug party already and stop posing as a Democrat.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jun 2025

truthisfreedom

(23,479 posts)
6. Yes, Fetterman. It's t****'s anarchy and chaos.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:17 PM
Jun 2025

Tell it like it really is. Our so-called president is singling out one race for persecution while 660,000 white European illegal immigrants are being ignored. And he’s bringing in troops to exacerbate an overwhelmingly non-violent situation that LA cops otherwise have under control. Tell it like it really is, John. Stop painting it with a republican brush.

chia

(2,654 posts)
7. He's lost the high moral ground by misrepresenting his party.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:18 PM
Jun 2025

Sen. Alex Padilla, (D) CA: "Protest peacefully but please keep protesting"

Polybius

(20,910 posts)
25. There are no recalls for US Senators
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:57 PM
Jun 2025

We would have to wait till he's up for reelection to primary him.

Basso8vb

(1,217 posts)
11. I will donate to whomever primaries this lost soul.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:20 PM
Jun 2025

He needs not be near the levers of power any longer.

Owens

(563 posts)
13. He needs to resign
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jun 2025

He has no clue what is going on. His silence on Trump illegally calling the National Guard is telling

Silent Type

(11,256 posts)
14. Won't go that far. But, it is important for Democratic Mayor and Governor handle LA properly. Think they are doing that.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:29 PM
Jun 2025

wolfie001

(6,218 posts)
15. He just needs to hold onto that job
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:30 PM
Jun 2025

The benefits are so great. Best healthcare in the world. Stopped caring about anyone else though. How convenient.

regnaD kciN

(27,296 posts)
19. So, was it the stroke, or was he just cosplaying progressivism to gain power...?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:38 PM
Jun 2025

I see he’s also been denouncing NPR as “far left” propaganda and calling on Trump to “bomb the sh*t” out of Iran.

Unlike the Trumpers who turned repentant once their own faces got eaten, this is definitely not what we voted for.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,024 posts)
22. who did any of this ?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:49 PM
Jun 2025

Remember they always project. The repugs claimed that
Jan6 was started by antifa, total lie, but shows how they think.

groundloop

(13,308 posts)
23. Sadly the anarchists are lumped in with peaceful protesters by the media ....
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:50 PM
Jun 2025

and that's playing into tRump's hands. People look right past the peaceful protests and all they see are the very worst of the troublemakers.

GB_RN

(3,441 posts)
31. Re: Fetterman
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:07 PM
Jun 2025

I think what we are witnessing isn’t so much that he’s trying to suck up to Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent or triangulate his way to reelection, rather I think this is a result of personality changes that are related to his stroke. You’re probably used to seeing this kind of thing with dementia patients as the disease progresses, but it’s not uncommon in stroke patients, depending on where the lesions (damaged tissue) are located.

chowder66

(11,332 posts)
42. Ha! Great bsky post
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:20 PM
Jun 2025

Weird. Bluesky post won't post!

It says from @contrails.bsky.social‬

99.9% of L.A. is just fine.
99.9% of Fetterman is not fine.

annielion

(69 posts)
43. He's not the same man since his stroke
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:23 PM
Jun 2025

I wish Senator Fetterman would resign. But he probably won't. His reality has changed as his brain changed after his stroke.

 

Tarzanrock

(1,250 posts)
47. Fetterman: Release your brain scans ...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 09:25 PM
Jun 2025

release the MRI scans of your brain; release the PET scans of your brain; release the reports on the analysis of your spinal fluids. Let's see precisely what your existing "medical" problems are in your head.

dchill

(42,660 posts)
48. It is FETTERMAN who loses the moral high ground...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 09:44 PM
Jun 2025

...by failing to recognize the reason behind the protests is multiple violations of our Constitution by our so-called President.

relayerbob

(7,278 posts)
50. I am so sorry I ever donated to that campaign
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 10:10 PM
Jun 2025

He has gone completely off the rail. Making Manchin look like a left wing radical. So disgusted.

kacekwl

(8,600 posts)
54. Everyone has
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 10:22 PM
Jun 2025

condemned this behavior in case you missed it. Get help Senator you aren't right.

msfiddlestix

(8,136 posts)
55. What an astounding mistake we made throwing our collective support for this pathetic and mentally confused individual.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 10:23 PM
Jun 2025

so sad. the best way to handle him is to ignore him at this juncture, hopefully someone close to him will fill him in on his rapid mental decline and break it to him gently, or not.

hamsterjill

(16,590 posts)
61. Let him call up Joe Manchin and commiserate.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:34 PM
Jun 2025

Let the rest of the Democrats get on with things, Fetterman. Your moment is (obviously) over.

BigmanPigman

(53,835 posts)
65. Wow, that stroke must have killed 90% of his brain cells.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:24 AM
Jun 2025

Does he ever plan on running again? I hope if he does it is not with Dems. This idiot is a hot mess, and I'm being kind.

FarPoint

(14,229 posts)
73. tRump has gotten to him....
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 06:00 AM
Jun 2025

just like the repugs.... he is being threatened or probably family/future for them etc are being threatened....

Fetterman can resign for health reasons and probably escape tRumps threats... Judt my guess...

ck4829

(37,103 posts)
76. Speak to the voters then. They chose the party that didn't have the moral high ground, your own words, John.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:18 AM
Jun 2025

GiqueCee

(2,852 posts)
78. Senator Fetterman...
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:46 AM
Jun 2025

... a wise man gets his facts straight before he attacks his own people.

AllyCat

(18,234 posts)
79. Fetterman needs to resign and take care of his health.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 08:58 AM
Jun 2025

What a dreadful disappointment he has become.

 

IrishBubbaLiberal

(2,561 posts)
80. Fetterman can go to hell, he has severe mental problems
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:18 AM
Jun 2025

Fetterman is a severely damaged man.

He has severe mental problems

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
81. Does he hit the Republicans ALSO on this?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:32 AM
Jun 2025

Running to social media and press the norm for stroke victims to accuse own party of bad behavior?

Got $um?


doc03

(38,429 posts)
82. I watched the guy on live TV that stood bashing the vehicle with his skateboard, he is the Fox News
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 09:52 AM
Jun 2025

poster child now. I saw the person that set fire to one of the cars. Is there any kind of leadership that can control the bad actors? I watched
the first car that they showed burning for at least a half hour, then they started setting 4 more on fire one after another over at least another
half hour period seems there could have been someone that could have tried to stop it if there is any leadership to the protests. Like the WH said this couldn't have come out any better if it was scripted.

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