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BumRushDaShow

(160,919 posts)
Sat May 24, 2025, 07:50 AM May 2025

US officials visit Alcatraz amid Trump's plan to reopen island prison

Source: The Guardian

Fri 23 May 2025 19.04 EDT
Last modified on Fri 23 May 2025 19.51 EDT


Federal prison officials visited Alcatraz last week after Donald Trump’s announcement earlier this month of plans to rebuild and reopen the infamous island prison, which has been closed for over 60 years. David Smith, the superintendent of the Golden Gate national recreation area (GGNRA), told the San Francisco Chronicle that officials with the Federal Bureau of Prisons are planning to return for further structural assessments.

“They have been out here. They’ll be coming out again to do assessments of the structure,” Smith told the news outlet. The island facility has been closed since 1963, when then attorney general Robert F Kennedy ordered its shutdown amid high operating costs, limited space and multiple escape attempts.

BOP director William Marshall told Fox News that engineering teams are already surveying the site. “We’ve got engineering teams out there now that are doing some assessments, and so I’m just really excited about the opportunity and possibilities,” he said. In recent months, the US government has moved to reopen at least five previously closed detention centers and prisons.

Although California lawmakers have dismissed the Alcatraz proposal as a “distraction” and not a serious plan, the Trump administration is actively working – with the help of private prison companies – to reopen other facilities, some of which are already back in operation.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/23/trump-alcatraz-prison



A DUer rightly bemoaned - "WHAT FRESH HELL?"
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US officials visit Alcatraz amid Trump's plan to reopen island prison (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 2025 OP
Regimentation, detention, incarceration, lack of due process bucolic_frolic May 2025 #1
The overall picture is rather horrifying PatSeg May 2025 #21
inane creon May 2025 #2
Just another demented whim that Trump thinks is genius. ananda May 2025 #9
el gringo loco creon May 2025 #31
He should demolish it and build a golf course there. Autumn May 2025 #3
Bravo! 4th May 2025 #4
Sure, let's spend a few hundred grand on engineering consultants followed by $100 billion or so sinkingfeeling May 2025 #5
Jeez! Elect a clown, expect a circus. Where's DOGE on his latest whacky idea? surfered May 2025 #6
I visited Alcatraz 25 years ago gab13by13 May 2025 #7
I would be in favor of him being moved in there rurallib May 2025 #8
If they continue to look at that as a "viable" facility BumRushDaShow May 2025 #10
Yep. Most cells are solitary confinement. johnnyfins May 2025 #11
And possibly the old Graterford prison (since SCI Phoenix is open now) BumRushDaShow May 2025 #17
Forgot that one johnnyfins May 2025 #22
Is Andersonville an option? Is Devil's Island an opportunity for off shore imprisonment? displacedvermoter May 2025 #29
My first thought too. Then there is Waverly Hills. appleannie1 May 2025 #15
Will it be renamed Gullf of Auschwitz ? twodogsbarking May 2025 #12
More wasted money! PortTack May 2025 #13
Another waste of tax dollars like the wall. Rebuilding bridges would make more sense. appleannie1 May 2025 #14
Maybe Orange Julius Caesar will change his mind and tear down the facility generalbetrayus May 2025 #16
RUMP has the emotional maturity and impulsiveness of a 12-year-old William Seger May 2025 #18
Hey lonely bird May 2025 #33
LOL, but there's a specific reason I peg it at 12 William Seger May 2025 #41
it is now a very expensive piece of land AlexSFCA May 2025 #19
Just imagine the cost per prisoner. BradBo May 2025 #20
5 other closed prisons as well Figarosmom May 2025 #23
When we take back the Presidency orangecrush May 2025 #24
Rump has been convicted of 34 felonies. Wolf Frankula May 2025 #25
No need to do any repairs. ChazInAz May 2025 #30
What fresh hell is right. How many of these narcissistic fantasies are we gonna be forced to participate in? Walleye May 2025 #26
Spend, spend, spend but not on food, healthcare, education or infrastructure. Deuxcents May 2025 #27
are they going to re-open Manzanar as well? DBoon May 2025 #28
I believe we're at the pre-concepts of a plan stage Prairie Gates May 2025 #32
Well based on the millions wasted to try to prepare to send 30,000 immigrants to Guantanamo BumRushDaShow May 2025 #36
Has anyone mentioned Gulag yet? If not, GULAG ! rickford66 May 2025 #34
Oh, how I wish I was Captain of that ferry boat usonian May 2025 #35
All just because he watched fucking Escape from Alcatraz. His incoherent rant about "movies" when asked about this Karasu May 2025 #37
What movies should be arranged for him to watch Blue Full Moon May 2025 #38
..After its closure, the island took on a second life as a site of Indigenous resistance. In 1969, a group of Native Ame riversedge May 2025 #39
FUCK DONALD TRUMP YoshidaYui May 2025 #40
I think people are missing a crucial point flamingdem Jun 2025 #42

PatSeg

(51,029 posts)
21. The overall picture is rather horrifying
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:49 PM
May 2025

and that is just taking into account what we know. There could be more going on behind the scenes. It is pretty easy to see what the price of dissent will be in this country going forward.

ananda

(33,428 posts)
9. Just another demented whim that Trump thinks is genius.
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:51 AM
May 2025

All these stupid whims sure are adding up.

At least Canada and Greenland are off the table... for now.

Destruction of every single good things in America
is proceeding apace.

Autumn

(48,402 posts)
3. He should demolish it and build a golf course there.
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:00 AM
May 2025

Then WE build a fucking fence around it.

sinkingfeeling

(56,463 posts)
5. Sure, let's spend a few hundred grand on engineering consultants followed by $100 billion or so
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:10 AM
May 2025

to rebuild a tourist attraction.

gab13by13

(29,897 posts)
7. I visited Alcatraz 25 years ago
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:29 AM
May 2025

and it was in disrepair.

Won't see Krasnov visit that island, too windy, his sage brush would blow off.

BumRushDaShow

(160,919 posts)
10. If they continue to look at that as a "viable" facility
Sat May 24, 2025, 08:51 AM
May 2025

I wouldn't be surprised if they try to co-opt Eastern State Penitentiary over here in Philly (also a tourist attraction), as it was decommissioned about a decade later than Alcatraz - in the 'early '70s).



(we are in that type of Twilight Zone world now )

johnnyfins

(2,982 posts)
11. Yep. Most cells are solitary confinement.
Sat May 24, 2025, 09:41 AM
May 2025

Each one having its own little exercise yard. .

We joke, but they are looking at EVERY closed facility in the country. Probably Holmesburg too.

displacedvermoter

(3,934 posts)
29. Is Andersonville an option? Is Devil's Island an opportunity for off shore imprisonment?
Sat May 24, 2025, 03:14 PM
May 2025

Can prison ships be deployed to New York harbor?

generalbetrayus

(1,244 posts)
16. Maybe Orange Julius Caesar will change his mind and tear down the facility
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:08 AM
May 2025

and turn the island into Merde-a-Lardo West.

William Seger

(11,837 posts)
18. RUMP has the emotional maturity and impulsiveness of a 12-year-old
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:30 AM
May 2025

... and now he's suffering from a delusional state called power psychosis -- a mental illness caused by having too much unchecked power. In fact, he has replaced Putin and other dictators as the textbook example of power psychosis. And he is a Dunning-Kruger basket case, so there's absolutely no point in trying to explain to him why the things he does are idiotic.

William Seger

(11,837 posts)
41. LOL, but there's a specific reason I peg it at 12
Sun May 25, 2025, 01:09 AM
May 2025

Psychologists (and my experience with four kids) say that, around that age, most kids go through a narcissistic phase, but most outgrow it, or at least it's not their predominant behavior. Some, however, suffer from "arrested development" and are raging narcissists for the entire life -- no fully effective therapy has been found.

AlexSFCA

(6,319 posts)
19. it is now a very expensive piece of land
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:22 PM
May 2025

It collects revenue from tourism, converting it into active prison would be a huge waste of money. There is plenty of cheap land to build prisons.

Figarosmom

(8,789 posts)
23. 5 other closed prisons as well
Sat May 24, 2025, 01:35 PM
May 2025

I wonder why they need so much additional prison space? Doesn't bode well. Stinks of concentration camps.

ChazInAz

(2,962 posts)
30. No need to do any repairs.
Sat May 24, 2025, 03:19 PM
May 2025

Just lock him and his co-conspirators in as it is. Constant video coverage of the entire island. Air drop supplies once a week and let them fight for them, with the resultant carnage being broadcast nightly so we can keep score of the survivors.
Kind of geriatric "Lord of The Flies".

Walleye

(42,645 posts)
26. What fresh hell is right. How many of these narcissistic fantasies are we gonna be forced to participate in?
Sat May 24, 2025, 02:43 PM
May 2025

Prairie Gates

(6,367 posts)
32. I believe we're at the pre-concepts of a plan stage
Sat May 24, 2025, 04:18 PM
May 2025

More idiotic nonsense wasting everybody's time and money over some trolling bullshit.

BumRushDaShow

(160,919 posts)
36. Well based on the millions wasted to try to prepare to send 30,000 immigrants to Guantanamo
Sat May 24, 2025, 05:19 PM
May 2025

where they even bought and started setting up large tents and whatnot, and then realized there was no AC for the tents, let alone the fact that they didn't have 30,000 to put there, they finally decided to abandon that far-fetched crap. This was their reality show "photo op" thing-



They ended up shipping the couple hundred who were sent there, back to the U.S. and put them in detention in Louisiana, and that is when the lawsuits started flying.

So don't put it past them to make a ridiculous "attempt" to engage in more "waste, fraud, and abuse", and then find it fail.

usonian

(20,986 posts)
35. Oh, how I wish I was Captain of that ferry boat
Sat May 24, 2025, 05:12 PM
May 2025

Bye, Bye, suckers. 🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈🦈

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
37. All just because he watched fucking Escape from Alcatraz. His incoherent rant about "movies" when asked about this
Sat May 24, 2025, 05:39 PM
May 2025

on-camera makes that very, very fucking obvious.

This is juvenile and stupid as hell. But what else would you expect?

riversedge

(78,025 posts)
39. ..After its closure, the island took on a second life as a site of Indigenous resistance. In 1969, a group of Native Ame
Sat May 24, 2025, 07:37 PM
May 2025


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/06/alcatraz-tourists-trump-prison-reaction

...........After its closure, the island took on a second life as a site of Indigenous resistance. In 1969, a group of Native American activists occupied Alcatraz, declaring it sovereign Indigenous land in an act of protest against broken treaties and systemic neglect. The 19-month occupation galvanized the modern Indigenous rights movement, whose legacy endures today.

“I think it should remain what it is, a national monument,” said Jacqueline Kemokai, a retired nurse from Tampa, Florida, who was moved by that history. “They’ve taken so much of the past away already and there needs to be something left behind to keep our memories going.”

Visitors view the cellblock during a visit Alcatraz the day after Trump’s declaration.
Visitors view the cellblock during a visit to Alcatraz the day after Trump’s declaration. Photograph: Fred Greaves/Reuters

It’s a history that’s alive and well for Morning Star Gali, a member of the Ajumawi band of Pit River Tribe. For the past 16 years, Gali has been organizing the largest sunrise ceremony in the US on Alcatraz on behalf of the International Indian Treaty Council. The events, hosted in November on Indigenous People’s Day and Thanksgiving, attract thousands of people, including members of more than 300 tribes from across the US.

Turning Alcatraz back into a prison would end the sunrise ceremonies, said Gali, who has been attending them since she was a child and got her name, Morning Star, there. For her, Alcatraz is a sacred site of Indigenous resistance and resilience. “Reopening Alcatraz as a prison would not just be an act of historical erasure – it would be a declaration that this country is doubling down on its most violent legacies,” she said by phone. “That’s where the first California Indian leaders were imprisoned, and that’s a history that’s still not widely shared.”

flamingdem

(40,677 posts)
42. I think people are missing a crucial point
Wed Jun 25, 2025, 05:45 PM
Jun 2025

This is another grift just like the golf course in the state park idea.

Sickening. The heart of the Everglades. I hate them.

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