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CloudWatcher

(1,994 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:11 PM 10 hrs ago

Vance Outlines U.S. Plan for Ukraine That Sharply Favors Russia

Source: New York Times

Archive link (no paywall): https://archive.is/briQO

Vice President JD Vance said the cease-fire plan would freeze territory along the current front lines of the Russia-Ukraine conflict and that the U.S. would “walk away” if both parties did not agree.

Vice President JD Vance on Wednesday called on Ukraine to accept an American peace proposal that closely aligns with longstanding Russian goals, including a “freeze” of territorial lines in the three-year war, acceptance of the annexation of Crimea by Russia and a prohibition on Ukraine becoming part of the NATO alliance.

It was the first time a U.S. official had publicly laid out a plan to end the war that favors Russia in such stark terms.


Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/23/world/europe/ukraine-cease-fire-talks-london.html



Is there really any doubt that Trump is completely in Putin's pocket?
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Vance Outlines U.S. Plan for Ukraine That Sharply Favors Russia (Original Post) CloudWatcher 10 hrs ago OP
Vance is taking traitor school seriously. dchill 10 hrs ago #1
Why doesn't Vance just move to Russia mdbl 8 hrs ago #6
'Cause Peter Thiel doesn't want him to. dchill 7 hrs ago #7
Of course he did! momta 10 hrs ago #2
They're absolutely insane to think Ukraine would capitulate. OnDoutside 10 hrs ago #3
Exactly....they can't seem to get that the EU and the rest of the free world is backing Ukraine. They don't need the US PortTack 9 hrs ago #5
Well, so much blue-wave 10 hrs ago #4

momta

(4,162 posts)
2. Of course he did!
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:27 PM
10 hrs ago

Because of course the ONLY way to "end" the war is to give Putin whatever he wants.

OnDoutside

(20,803 posts)
3. They're absolutely insane to think Ukraine would capitulate.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:35 PM
10 hrs ago

I've had the opinion that Europe have been sitting back biding their time in letting Trump come up with this inevitable proposal before stepping in. Well this is the moment Europe now needs to step forward and say no, this is not going to happen.

PortTack

(35,572 posts)
5. Exactly....they can't seem to get that the EU and the rest of the free world is backing Ukraine. They don't need the US
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:26 PM
9 hrs ago

blue-wave

(4,626 posts)
4. Well, so much
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:52 PM
10 hrs ago

for security assurances from the good 'ol USA. Like the assurances given in the Budapest Memorandum.

The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, signed on December 5, 1994, involves agreements between Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and the nuclear powers of the United States, Russia, and the United Kingdom. It provided security assurances to these countries in exchange for their commitment to give up nuclear weapons and respect each other's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

Read More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Who in Europe is next in line for Russian annexation?

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