Especially in rural Texas, why a young woman would live in either of those states is beyond me.

My PA, who did all the gyno services for my GP, did her residency in OBGYN and left Florida when the abortion ban started because her plan was to eventually start her own OBGYN practice in Florida. She also has a child who's special needs and DeSantis cut pretty much all special education funding in the state's public schools. My GP practices medicine for low income/uninsured and that's why I go to him--I know he cares about people more than money, unlike most of Florida. Her departure is a HUGE loss for him!

Republican values are not human values, so those doing humanitary work leave the state for themselves, for their kids, for their sanity, and for their livelihoods.

Republican women have no issue with going along with Republican men...they equally share in the blame!!!

As for the women in their lives, not all but most of them, as long as they benefit from what their men are doing...why do something different?

are either trying to find a way out of the state economically (like I did by selling my house) or are trying to find safe industries/jobs in which to work to stay in FL for their families/kids/aging parents. Most are absolutely miserable and loathe DeSantis, Republicans, Florida, and rich white males.

Living in FL as a vocal liberal woman means you are bullied, antagonized, ostracized, terrorized, and economically demonized into silence and compliance, if not outwardly assaulted like I was.

deeply UGLY politics

I’ve lived in Florida 55 years. It is not a shithole State. The current Governor may be a shithead and a nazi, but the
state of Florida is Beautiful. I love it here. I am not stupid or a redneck, maga, dumbass.but this is everything I have been called, because I live in the beautiful state of Florida

New roof, been thru a lot of hurricanes, but I would rather live here than in any State that has freezing cold winter.

I

ruled by nazi-wannabees with freezing-cold hearts....

but that's just me.

The birds, manatees, bobcats, panthers and the Everglades is magical.

I have been so frustrated with the people on here who assume everybody in a red state is a knuckle dragger.

It doesnt mean there are no dems at all, who could possibly think that? We all know the various typical splits for these states, none are 100 percent puke.

Referring to Florida and Texas as "shithole states" without any regard for actual voting patterns, is a long-time, genuinely unfortunate aspect of Democratic Underground. I've been calling people out about it for years, but I'm beginning to see there's no point to it; haters are going to hate, no matter what. I say that with sadness and as a life-long Texan and Democrat, one of 4.8 million Texans who voted for Kamala Harris.

Glad another DUer shares my opinion of Florida

I moved to CA as a teenager and was ridiculed a lot for my southern accent. It pissed me off so I changed how I talked and people would listen to what I said, rather than how I said it and I could communicate well. Pissed me off that they were so ignorant and judgey.

FL used to be very solid purple but the Bushes and orange assfaces have taken this beautiful place and are deliberately destroying it for the working class. If FEMA isn't around, Gov. death sentence gets money for disasters, it will go to the rich and the rich only and the poor will die and he will laugh!! Guarantee it!! It's what he was doing with the vaccines until Biden took over, they were not available anywhere except the really rich areas and he was hand delivering them so ensure no one else got them!

I guess if it gets bad enough, we could reconsider Costa Rica or Portugal - but that's really a total emergency option and if krasnov cuts our SS $$ or ends it, well that dream is not possible either.

Reason I ask: it was reported today that Texas Democratic Representative Al Green, a 77 year-old black man, was referred to as a "boy" by Tennessee Republican Representative Diana Harshbarger. Rep. Harshbarger, a white woman, also claimed that the cane Rep. Green uses was a fake prop, evidently because Rep. Green waved the cane angrily at trump, during trump's recent address to Congress. Further details available in DU's General Discussion forum.

Now, you've seen fit to relegate both Texas and Florida to "shithole nazi states" status. Care to give us your take on Tennessee, given the aforementioned incident?

public schools or turn them into some form of evangelical Christian schools, almost total abortion bans, and the trampling of voter and lgbtq rights, of course fewer people want to move to either of those states. Even many companies don't want to move there because of these policies, and texas, at least, has been trying to get companies to move here.

This is exactly what was predicted would happen.

Next, the states start losing residents as insurance becomes too expensive and they can't rebuild after increasing natural disasters.

Then, the housing market collapses as insurance companies pull out entirely and banks won't give out mortgages to uninsurable properties.

That last one will cause a nationwide economic crisis, btw.

...but the west as well. A number of companies are pulling out of areas in Utah due to increased chances of wild fire. In other words, they went from "if" to "when". People are throwing a fit because they say there has never been a wildfire in the area they are in. All I can say is, wait around for a bit, and you will get one.

It's now happening in some red areas of Oregon as well.

Maybe one day I will be able to afford my own efficiency apartment and not have to compete against rich yankees for housing.

Property values are going up and the taxes too. Unless you are selling now it's bad news.

I'm in south Georgia and left Florida because of the horseshit politics. The south Georgians who are here feel Florida is a total shit show and hate what's happening there. They welcome us, just not our driving! South Georgians want new ideas, to experience differing cultures, and a change in demographics, just not a change in their inherent values/morals/native culture. They want to learn and grow from us, but not be steamrolled by our migration, which is apt, culturally universal, and understandable in any place.

Please keep your attitudes about Floridians to yourself and remember that a lot of liberals avoid north Georgia for the very attitude you're espousing! If you encounter a lot of Floridians up there, they're probably not economic refugees like me who are very liberal, we don't tend to move to areas that elect people like MTG and charge a small fortune to have our kids' minds warped by a backward educational system.

And I don't mean to throw any kind a shade at north Georgia's people--my family is North GA Appalachian and we came down here from Cherokee County, so love and respect to North Georgia and its beauty, where the heartiest of people with generational fortitude and character abound!

I used to love going to Florida in the early spring. Now, you couldn’t pay me to go there. Hot, crowded, and filling up with Trumpers.

and now I never will.

I'm fine with fewer people moving here. Traffic is awful.

There are approx just as many ppl moving out of the state as moving in

as a result of population growth in the South who will also gain that many more electoral votes. So maybe Texas and Florida losing population now will help. Democrats still need to get out and vote, though, if we are still having elections in the future, even near future.
(For those who believe it could never happen that we won't have elections, how many would never have believed what has happened to this country in just the last 100 days?)

that "trend" is apparently reversing. I.e., you have more of a net migration OUT of those "sun belt" (disaster prone) areas.

I.e., the "rate" of influx to those areas has dropped. So although there is still an influx, it's slowing. And you can see at the link to the Redfin data (and chart), WHO has been getting a rate increase of influx and that is the blue metro areas (and by proximity, most likely their suburbs). We have already seen that shift in the vote with the red, pink, and purple suburban areas around the blue cities, becoming more and more blue, and some of that is coming from people who had "moved south and west", and are now "coming home". You also had states like OR and CO actually pick up a seat each after the 2020 census (both have voted blue in the recent past).

The one fly in the ointment would be a state like VA, that had been getting a big influx over the years due to the federal presence, which helped to swing it to blue, but right now, that is being completely obliterated.

just as bad here in Ohio my part of N.E. Ohio!
They have totally ruined our once blue state!!!

about living choices here. So where is the ideal place to live in the United States? And for what kind of person?

and its acceleration due to insane GOP policies, there isn't much choice of where to live that won't be impacted. It is now boiling down to who is running the state governments at this point.

The examples cited are the most vulnerable to certain climate extremes but one can add California (for the wildfires) and desert states like AZ (for the excessive heat - e.g., Phoenix breaking a record of 113 days straight of highs 100F and above and even just last month, nearly hitting 100 this early in the season).

When we visited Asheville in September '23, it was being touted as being safe from climate disasters, unlike the coastal parts of NC. Well, how did that work out? In retrospect, it's a good thing that something there set off my husband's allergies and we chose not to move there.

Going back to when I first signed up.

Like you see how folks are cheering the stock market crash? I remember when folks would cheer hurricanes

And yeah, no, if you ask folks where they are from in response, you rarely get an answer. Wonder why that is?

They are the asses that build on beaches and beside rivers that flood then scream for their property to be made whole when it's inevitably destroyed during some big storm. The coast should not be allowed to be built on anymore, it's way too dangerous and expensive and raises the cost astronomically for regular people. Insurance is super hard to get here and getting worse all the time. Living without insurance is super scary too when there are all these big trees, rivers and oceans which could all rise up and kill your house/you.

Without NOAA and their hurricane hunter planes, it's going to be really scary. How will we know to prepare and what to prepare for? I am worried!!! I've lived here for over 50 years, we own our house and all my family is here so I really don't want to move.

They have absolutely no healthcare rights there.

Between the high insurance costs, climate stresses, Canadians and others selling their property, and DeSantis's regime, people are fleeing Florida. Looking at Zillow for the area where my MIL lives, there are literally hundreds of homes for sale. There are four just in her little 40-house development. You can get a 2-bedroom, 2-bath home or condo for a song.