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WSHazel

(341 posts)
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 08:48 AM Monday

The "Sell America" Trade gathers momentum

Source: Yahoo Finance

The dollar and US stock futures dropped while 10-year Treasury yields climbed as investors weighed the risk of Powell’s dismissal and its implications for the world’s largest economy. The selling intensified after National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett said Friday that Trump was studying the matter, after a report said the president was exploring such a move.

Read more: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-push-against-powell-latest-075114977.html



I think the selling pressure is bigger than just one news cycle of new silliness from Trump and his economic team of gaslighting bootlickers. Much of the world, and this includes many American investors, appear to be diversifying out of the dollar and dollar assets, and into other currencies.

I guess undermining the dollar and making foreign products more expensive is one exceptionally stupid way to address the trade deficit. Of course, this will only help manufacturing, while financial services will get hurt by this development. I am old enough to remember when the Republican Party, formerly known as the "party of free markets", didn't try to pick winners in the economy with every policy.
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dutch777

(4,297 posts)
1. It is amazing that they think they can push tariffs or whatever without any counter reactions. Very naive.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 08:55 AM
Monday

And clearly dangerous. You start a cascade of actions that trigger uncontrollable reactions and the possibility that things economic, or political, spiral completely out of your control is all too real. It will affect change, but highly likely not the change you want.

WSHazel

(341 posts)
2. An aspect to this that is not getting enough press
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 09:01 AM
Monday

Is Senator Murphy's analysis of the tariff policy in his BlueSky thread from last week. Tariffs have limited value as economic policy, but they have a lot of value if you are an authoritarian trying to seize control of the entire economy. As more market participants are reaching the same conclusion that Murphy did, they are moving more and more assets out of a market that appears to be lurching to authoritarianism.

dutch777

(4,297 posts)
6. It is certainly a tool for manipulation, of our economy as well as manhandle other nations over many issues
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:16 PM
Monday

And in smart hands and used judiciously it may actually get some worthwhile things done but the rough shod way this is being handled, with no game plan to deal with consequences and reactions that will be totally beyond Trump or US control, is as one former WH official noted== "malpractice".

IronLionZion

(48,552 posts)
4. America is back baby. MAGA!
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 10:06 AM
Monday


Yup stock markets have erased gains from the past year. It didn't take long. Bond markets are slightly better but still seeing sell offs of American bonds.

Ol Janx Spirit

(152 posts)
7. RepubliCons do not seem to realize that the U.S. was the world's strongest economy...
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:17 PM
Monday

...based almost solely on the trust in our democratic institutions and our stable financial system--both of which they have eagerly destroyed in their lust for the power to be mean to anyone they have decided to hate.

What they also fail to understand is that there are other pretty reliable actors like the EU ready to step into that void; many of those countries--like Denmark for example--having fairly recently in world history played a large roll at the forefront of trusted economic and political systems. The U.S. had worked hard to get to a position that was so easily taken for granted and discarded so quickly.

WSHazel

(341 posts)
9. +1000 to your post
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:05 PM
Monday

The U.S. was the financial center of the world because the world decided the U.S. should be the financial center of the world. There are other markets that can fill that role.

Once this status is gone for the U.S., it is gone forever, and we will all be poorer as a result.

PortTack

(35,572 posts)
8. Tsf cannot fire Powell! He made that very clear and said he's not going anywhere.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:28 PM
Monday

Republicans…the ones that could actually turn this around sit f..king idly by. Total cowards

Javaman

(63,652 posts)
10. both the bond market and the value of the dollar are down
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:27 PM
Monday

and will continue to do so as long ash chaos prevails in the WH.

aka, we in deep shit.

WSHazel

(341 posts)
11. We may not be close to the bottom on either
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:39 PM
Monday

Both positions, long dollar and long U.S. treasuries, are hard to unwind if they are made in any size, and they will take time to find alternatives. The business media speaks as if these changes are reactions to specific news events, when they seem to me to be long-term reallocations of assets away from the U.S. dollar. There is a lot of room for both the dollar and U.S. Treasuries to continue to fall.

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